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Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Thread (Part 12)
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shelleyj89
26-03-2014
Originally Posted by Andy-B:
“Good stuff.

It is funny; despite everything - as well as the things you mention, complete changes in formation, not once putting out our best defence, ridiculous first eleven changes, moving positons, academy preferences (Kane?), dressing room rumblings, etc - we have been consistent.”

I've said this all season. I honestly don't think things have been anywhere near as bad as some have made out. The only thing that has been particularly bad, for me, is our record against the current top 4. Last season, overall, we had a great record against them, with not one of Chelsea, City, Arsenal or Liverpool doing the double over us. We took 10 points off them, and with only one game left to go this season against them , we've only managed one point against Chelsea, with Arsenal and City beating us twice. (We were unbeaten against United, but we have picked up the same points against them this season)

People can go on about losing to Norwich, or to West Ham, but all teams lose to teams they 'should' beat over the course of the season. Our record against the teams we want to be competing with is what's done for us.
Andy-B
26-03-2014
Given the spankings we've had, this is quite revealing: again vs. the same opposition season-on-season:

In the same 31 matches last season we conceded 39 goals - this season it's 40. BOOM!

So, yep, pastings vs. Wet Sham, Citeh (twice) and Liverpool. But also 4 fewer conceded at the Effeminites, 3 less at home to Chelsea and a few where we were 2 goals better this season. Hmmm.

The bad news is - same criteria - we've scored 15 fewer.

Almost identical points tally (one point less this season) but scoring 15 fewer goals?
shelleyj89
26-03-2014
Originally Posted by Andy-B:
“Given the spankings we've had, this is quite revealing: again vs. the same opposition season-on-season:

In the same 31 matches last season we conceded 39 goals - this season it's 40. BOOM!

So, yep, pastings vs. Wet Sham, Citeh (twice) and Liverpool. But also 4 fewer conceded at the Effeminites, 3 less at home to Chelsea and a few where we were 2 goals better this season. Hmmm.

The bad news is - same criteria - we've scored 15 fewer.

Almost identical points tally (one point less this season) but with 15 fewer goals?”

Just shows you that, in general, our much-maligned defence hasn't actually been all that bad. Especially when you consider that 23 of those 40 goals came in just 5 games, so it means only 17 conceded in the other 26, with 12 clean sheets. Only Arsenal (13), Chelsea (14), Man City (13) and, somehow, West Ham (13), have kept more.

Also, we've failed to score in 9 games, which means our 40 goals have come in 22 games. So when we have scored, we've averaged nearly 2 goals a game. I prefer to look at it that way "Lies, damned lie and statistics!"
Andy-B
26-03-2014
... which, in turn, somewhat informs the 'highline' question ...

Also important to remember the Liverpool (h) and Chelsea (a) results this season were both seriously affected by red cards (6 goals conceded after the reds).

Given the defensive injuries, literally all season, maybe things aren't so bad at the back ...
JasonWatkins
26-03-2014
Sshhh ... if you keep saying positive things, you'll wake Pee up .. and you know how cranky he gets
Ozboz3
26-03-2014
Between now and the end of the season we've got a pretty decent run of teams after Liverpool game. We've just got to try and win as many as possible because what the teams around us do is as important as what we do IMO.
JasonWatkins
26-03-2014
Originally Posted by Ozboz3:
“Between now and the end of the season we've got a pretty decent run of teams after Liverpool game. We've just got to try and win as many as possible because what the teams around us do is as important as what we do IMO.”

I've always been quite happy with the run in after Liverpool. The only problem is, if it means we secure any form of European Qualification - which will of course be a good thing again - it could mean we'll still be saddled with Tim "You fackkin' slaaaaaag" Sherwood next season ..
soulboy77
26-03-2014
Originally Posted by Andy-B:
“....Almost identical points tally (one point less this season) but scoring 15 fewer goals?”

If only Soldado's La Liga goal scoring ability had transferred to the Premiership !
Andy-B
27-03-2014
The thing about the run in is - after Liverpool - against those particular opponents we won 6 of the 7 last season. It's okay having a nice run in but we have to win them.

Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Sshhh ... if you keep saying positive things, you'll wake Pee up .. and you know how cranky he gets ”

He's been on Ignore for almost a year so not too concerned.
Andy-B
28-03-2014
Couple of interesting pieces:

The writer who seems to have the hotline to Daniel Levy these days on the return of Caulker and Vertonghen going to Barca:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...cardiff-summer

And an interview with John Bostock, who never quite got it right between the ears:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26715651
JasonWatkins
28-03-2014
Interesting. Never really rated Caulker personally but I accept i'm probably in a minority there. Given a choice, if I was, i'd certainly prefer to keep Vertonghen.
Pee
28-03-2014
that is known, round my way at least, as an absolute no-brainer, sir.
Andy-B
28-03-2014
I'm not sure there is a choice. Given his demeanour eariler and the general upheaval, I wouldn't be surprised if Vertonghen has already been given 'a strong indication' he can leave.

Levy likes a quick profit so I'm sure he'll be tempted, esp. if he can get Caulker back for the same fee if Cardiff go down - which I think we can probably guess is something Levy inserted in the deal.

The profit might even pay for a proper left back ...
shelleyj89
28-03-2014
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Interesting. Never really rated Caulker personally but I accept i'm probably in a minority there. Given a choice, if I was, i'd certainly prefer to keep Vertonghen.”

I'm way past the point of caring when it comes to Jan. As for Caulker, I'm with you. Although I don't think I've ever really seen enough of him to properly judge.
Pee
28-03-2014
just putting this out there...

Quote:
“Ben Pearce @BenPearceSpurs

#thfc Quote that Spurs fans WON'T like: "To be honest, I've not watched them [Liverpool] that closely."”

JasonWatkins
28-03-2014
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“I'm way past the point of caring when it comes to Jan. As for Caulker, I'm with you. Although I don't think I've ever really seen enough of him to properly judge.”

I wonder if Jan is in need of "The Sherwood Method" ?

He did seem a lot happier under AVB but his mood at least has certainly nosedived since Timmy has been in charge, so maybe he just needs the stereotypical "arm round the shoulder" ?

Apparently Vlad is turning out for the U21's tonight so he might play a part on Sunday. Unfortunately, Dembele has also trained all week so he might be involved as well ..

Originally Posted by Pee:
“just putting this out there...”

Nothing that idiot says really surprises me any more.
Knarf44
28-03-2014
SPURS U21s beat The Gooners 2-0 this evening, Coulibaly with a pen and Harry Winks with a curler from the edge of the box. We absolutely bossed the game throughout. Chilriches played 90mins and almost scored after a mazy run from deep inside our half!

MoM was our Rueben Lameiras, young Portuguese ML/AML.
JasonWatkins
29-03-2014
Good result for the U21's and good to see Vlad last the whole game - I can't imagine he'll start on sunday but i'd hope he features at some point.

Ade still doubtful apparently.
GetHoppy
29-03-2014
LVG to Spurs a 'done deal' according to Ruud Gullit
JasonWatkins
29-03-2014
Originally Posted by GetHoppy:
“LVG to Spurs a 'done deal' according to Ruud Gullit”

Please let that be true
JasonWatkins
29-03-2014
The Beeb have picked up Gullit's comments

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26798631

To be fair, he actually says "I think it's a done deal but you never know".

Although the Metro story has a rather interesting slant on it with Gullit saying that Sherwood and Sir Les went to scout Suarez when they worked with Redknapp.

Quote:
“‘They came to watch him,’ said Gullet. ‘I met Sherwood together with Les Ferdinand, they were Harry Redknapp’s assistants at the time and were also his scouts.

‘They asked me all kinds of questions about Suarez, so I just point blank said: “You have to snap him up, without any hesitation, in a heartbeat.”

‘“Well, we’re not sure,” they said whilst they actually watched him play.

Afterwards they said to me: “Well, we might have got it wrong.”’”

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/29/ruud-g...tspur-4682384/

There's a large part of me that actually believes that, considering Sherwood's previous comments about certain players "not being his type".
lookoutapiano!
29-03-2014
I remember there being rumours about is being interested in Suarez when he was at Ajax, I think. Who knows if he would have turned out the be the player he is now if he had come to us though.
The_Moth
29-03-2014
My understanding was that Harry turned down the chance to sign Suarez because he was a "second striker" and could not lead the line or play up front on his own.
soulboy77
29-03-2014
Liverpool could be super motivated tomorrow with top spot on offer after Chelsea lost today.
JasonWatkins
29-03-2014
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“Liverpool could be super motivated tomorrow with top spot on offer after Chelsea lost today.”

I think they'd have been motivated anyway. But then in a weird way, it's almost like the United/Bayern game - everyone is expecting United to lose so if they pull of the upset, it's even more impressive. Same for this - I do tend to imagine that most people are expecting Liverpool to dish out another spanking.
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