Originally Posted by Totem_Bern:
“If people don't care about people living abroad why were Neighbours and Home and Away such big hits? Thats poppycock. The show failed cos it was a mess. No matter how good a concept if you execute it badly it's done for.
The drama makes you care about the characters whoever they are or wherever they're from, whether it's another country or another planet.”
That's more or less the point I was making, it's not that people don't care about people living abroad (Death in Paradise is an example that they clearly do) but they don't care for people who are abroad out of their own choice. As I mentioned Neighbours and Home and Away work because even though they're set in nice places, everyone stays indoors most of the time, and also, they are based around proper communities where people are born, grow up, and have ties to, and so people are there for a reason. It's a universal situation which everyone can relate to, no matter where they are.
In Eldorado, it was simply too contrived a situation for people to have sympathy for them. If they were having a terrible time, the average viewer is just going to think, if it's so awful for them, it's their own fault for going there. It's like the press used to say, sun, sea and so what?
Originally Posted by ronant:
“BBC2 and C4 used to have very similar ratings, but C4 has fallen well behind in recent years. If BBC2 hadn't given up daytime it would be streets ahead.
C4 should really be aiming for 2m + consistently between 8 and 10, and occasionally at 10 too.”
Indeed, at ten o'clock especially there's a fabulous opportunity to get high ratings. BBC1 and ITV are showing the news, and ITV almost always show repeats after it. BBC2 can only show half hour programmes because of Newsnight. So there's only C5 to compete with and C4 generally has a younger audience who stays up late, so they should be cleaning up at ten o'clock. If I was C4 I'd be putting all my best stuff there.
And of couirse C4's decline compared to BBC2 has come about despite wholesale poaching of loads of BBC2 talent. Jamie Oliver, Jimmy Docherty, Mary Portas and Hilary Devey all got higher ratings when they were on BBC2, Devey in particular has failed spectacularly since she was poached. And they're all doing similar things to what they did on the Beeb so C4 can hardly say they're innovating to any great extent. In fact a decade or so ago they used to be way more innovative and get higher ratings, the two certainly aren't mutually exclusive.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Mr Selfridge will premiere on iTunes tonight, which may have an effect on Sunday's rating? I expect Muskateers to come out top anyway.”
A totally negligible affect, I'd say, Mr Selfridge skews old anyway making it even more likely it's a tiny, tiny percentage of its audience who use iTunes to download TV shows. If Bad Education can get higher ratings than ever before when it's being premiered on iPlayer - a much bigger platform for TV shows in the UK, and on a channel with an audience much more likely to watch online - there should be no excuse whatsoever.
*cough*Underpredicting*cough*