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Channel 5 +24 is confirmed. It'll broadcast between 7pm and midnight, the rest of the time they're filling it with teleshopping.
What a pointless waste of a Freeview channel. I think that's exactly it. Once it's out of your routine it takes effort to get it back in to your routine. Personally I think going down to three days would help it. 5 days a week certainly won't win back the casual audience. But I'd imagine that's very unlikely to happen. As for "Call The Midwife" I hope this bombs this series and they have to stop spending money on 1950's bicycles, teapots and babies because it plummets to under 3 million. |
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As for "Call The Midwife" I hope this bombs this series and they have to stop spending money on 1950's bicycles, teapots and babies because it plummets to under 3 million.
And do they actually spend money on 1950s babies? |
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If it were three days a week the quality would improve and the cast could get off rhe treadmill for a moment. "EastEnders" needs a massive plot line and a live episode to reel back in the viewers who just got away from committing to it. Two and a half hours is way too much of one programme. I watched one with Lindsey Coulson featuring heavily which was really well acted by her but there was no incentive to bother tuning in another night. Perhaps other viewers also feel this fatigue with it and less is sometimes more. You dont need 5 episodes to let people know you are in the schedule you need to make them good so they want to make an appointment to view. I hope Charlotte Moore takes note of the experimentation with "EastEnders" and goes for a live episode and axes the Friday edition for good.
As for "Call The Midwife" I hope this bombs this series and they have to stop spending money on 1950's bicycles, teapots and babies because it plummets to under 3 million. The Friday episode isn't going anywhere as there is nothing else BBC1 can put there regular that can get 6-8m viewers. Nonsense idea. So many people come up with this nonsense idea. Improve EastEnders and you will get people watching it across the week. Call The Midwife dipped for series 2, if it dips again then alarm bells will sound. |
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If it were three days a week the quality would improve and the cast could get off rhe treadmill for a moment. "EastEnders" needs a massive plot line and a live episode to reel back in the viewers who just got away from committing to it. Two and a half hours is way too much of one programme. I watched one with Lindsey Coulson featuring heavily which was really well acted by her but there was no incentive to bother tuning in another night. Perhaps other viewers also feel this fatigue with it and less is sometimes more. You dont need 5 episodes to let people know you are in the schedule you need to make them good so they want to make an appointment to view. I hope Charlotte Moore takes note of the experimentation with "EastEnders" and goes for a live episode and axes the Friday edition for good.
As for "Call The Midwife" I hope this bombs this series and they have to stop spending money on 1950's bicycles, teapots and babies because it plummets to under 3 million. Quote:
EastEnders is very good at the moment but needs a water cooler moment to get viewers in. Ratings will stay around the levels they are until that happens.
The Friday episode isn't going anywhere as there is nothing else BBC1 can put there regular that can get 6-8m viewers. Nonsense idea. So many people come up with this nonsense idea. Improve EastEnders and you will get people watching it across the week. Call The Midwife dipped for series 2, if it dips again then alarm bells will sound. It won't be long before there is a long running storyline that will have people talking and in turn bring some viewers back. Stacey's return will no doubt bring some more viewers in and we don't know what else they have planned for that time either. Friday episodes can stay where they are The figures have improved and I don't see the need moving EastEnders out of a slot it's had since 2001 now. EastEnders shouldn't have any LIVE episodes until next year for their 30th. Perhaps have 2 (One Monday and one Friday both 40mins each) or just go for an episode running for an hour with no ad breaks obviously. |
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Improve EastEnders and you will get people watching it across the week.
It does need something significant to grab the casual audience though. Theoretically that should have been Danny Dyer but it didn't really translate in increased numbers. |
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4.58m (22.1%)
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I agree. Eldorado would probably be a disaster if it came back, but I can see why some people remember it fondly, because it was really good for its final six months: much better than EastEnders was at the time.
Jonathan Powell made a huge mistake with Eldorado: bringing the launch forward by two months from September to July, to avoid ITV's autumn 7pm hits (which ITV promptly moved forward to July, anyway). But, there was also a second, much bigger mistake (which Powell might also have been involved in): signing everyone up on one-year contracts with an option of a further two, which meant Alan Yentob wasn't in a position to extend it for another six months after the first year, to see if the vast improvements in quality would result in a ratings uplift. There was no way he could risk commiting to another two years. |
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They've already done that. I honestly think it's the best now that it's been in a good three years if not more.
It does need something significant to grab the casual audience though. Theoretically that should have been Danny Dyer but it didn't really translate in increased numbers. The Carters have not really had a big storyline as such. It's more about getting to know them at the moment. Perhaps something big is being lined up that will get people talking and turning it. At present most of the storylines are just climaxing. |
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They've already done that. I honestly think it's the best now that it's been in a good three years if not more.
It does need something significant to grab the casual audience though. Theoretically that should have been Danny Dyer but it didn't really translate in increased numbers. |
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Which is why people saying ditch the Friday episodes are insane. Get the quality up and people will stick with the show across the week. EastEnders is good now but ratings aren't going up. Lots of good storylines playing out but no big storylines playing out like the Kat/Alfie/Roxy wedding day storyline.
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From my own research that I've done, Birds never rated as well as people are making out back in the 90's. Granted the 1992 and 93 Christmas specials got really high ratings but the regular series rated 9-12 million with occasional episodes rating 13-14 million. Still high but not spectacular.
The 1997 series was its lowest rated series with an average of around 8 million - quite low for 1997 I would say. Obviously you can't compare Birds of a Feather's ratings now to then, there are a million and one variables since. ITV aren't bothered about what it got then, they're bothered about the fact they've got a sitcom, any sitcom, getting over five million for show three. Quote:
I can't believe I just read a Steve Williams post which contains the words "I can't remember".
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Eldorado's biggest problems were Julia Smith & Tony Holland. They made several mistakes with casting like getting some people that weren't actors, focusing on Bunny & Fizz instead of the more interesting Joy and Marcus Tandy. After getting EastEnders so right Julia & Tony got Eldorado so wrong.
The other thing about Bunny and Fizz is that the entire first episode was a dramatic dead duck because it was mostly based around Bunny and Fizz coming back and the cliffhanger was Bunny unveiling Fizz to everyone. But Fizz was on the cover of the Radio Times, so we all knew what she looked like! I know publicity is a different department but surely you realise your audience is media-savvy and will see the promos, so don't base episodes around stuff that's bound to be spoilered. It's like the first episode of Episodes where the entire plot revolved around them hiring Matt Le Blanc to be in the sitcom. But we knew he was going to be in it, because he was in the opening titles. That kind of scripting always winds me up. |
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Channel4 has started to trail their major new entertainment series 'The Jump': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4jYG...ature=youtu.be
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And what about that timeshift for last Thursday's Silent Witness?
I doff my cap to this programme. It must be the most resilient one on television. A lot of people are mystified by its continual success, including me AND I WATCH IT!!!![]() |
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Channel4 has started to trail their major new entertainment series 'The Jump': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4jYG...ature=youtu.be
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Provisional schedules for Feb 1st:
BBC1 2.30 6 Nations Rugby - Wales v Italy (2.30 ko) 4.30 6 Nations Rugby - France v England (5.00 ko) 6.50 News 7.05 The Voice UK 8.25 Who Dares Wins ITV 6.20 News 6.45 Splash! 8.30 Take Me Out In previous years the News has been squeezed in at 4.25 so the evening schedule gets the big lead in from the rugby. However the schedulers appear to love the idea of the News before The Voice, bizarrely, giving Splash a massive helping hand. That'll also mean virtually zero post match coverage, so there will some annoyed rugby fans too. |
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Provisional schedules for Feb 1st:
BBC1 2.30 6 Nations Rugby - Wales v Italy (2.30 ko) 4.30 6 Nations Rugby - France v England (5.00 ko) 6.50 News 7.05 The Voice UK 8.25 Who Dares Wins ITV 6.20 News 6.45 Splash! 8.30 Take Me Out In previous years the News has been squeezed in at 4.25 so the evening schedule gets the big lead in from the rugby. However the schedulers appear to love the idea of the News before The Voice, bizarrely, giving Splash a massive helping hand. That'll also mean virtually zero post match coverage, so there will some annoyed rugby fans too. |
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That'll also mean virtually zero post match coverage, so there will some annoyed rugby fans too.
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Does mean though that in the event of the rugby majorly overrunning TVUK isn't affected.
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It's better to have less post match coverage in order to boost the overall average rating. Often we've seen when there is long post match coverage like the Itv england games, the audience falls away which drags down the average. Better to have minimal post match coverage in order to boost the rating.
Anyway I don't think BBC1's ratings of any concern whatsoever at the moment - 24.5% all day share yesterday for just an average Thursday and it got up to 26% on Tuesday. I'm a BBC fan but it would be nice to see it having a bit of competition... Saturday 8th will be interesting - BBC1 will have more 6 Nations pushing share close to 30% probably and BBC2 will have the Winter Olympics, potentially pushing ITV down to third. Wouldn't be surprised. |
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The 1997 series was on Mondays at 9.30 in the summer, though. It did really well at the start but then on Sundays it was being swamped by the ITV big guns, BBC1 were very weak on Sundays at the time, but presumably it would have seemed too much of a demotion to move it off there. It's like when they suggested to David Renwick they move One Foot off Sundays in 1995, which he refused because it sounded like a demotion, only for it to go up against A Touch Of Frost and come out second best, and Renwick later said they should have moved it.
Obviously you can't compare Birds of a Feather's ratings now to then, there are a million and one variables since. ITV aren't bothered about what it got then, they're bothered about the fact they've got a sitcom, any sitcom, getting over five million for show three. Quote:
The reason why they went for unknowns is because that had worked so well on 'stEnders with Anita Dobson and Leslie Grantham, only for lighting to fail to strike twice. Not quite correct Steve. Eldorado didn't just have unknowns it had many people that weren't actors. That was its biggest problem like the girl playing Fizz, not a trained actress and then they made her the main focus of the show. Marcus and Joy were far better characters and it should have been built around them from the start.
The other thing about Bunny and Fizz is that the entire first episode was a dramatic dead duck because it was mostly based around Bunny and Fizz coming back and the cliffhanger was Bunny unveiling Fizz to everyone. But Fizz was on the cover of the Radio Times, so we all knew what she looked like! I know publicity is a different department but surely you realise your audience is media-savvy and will see the promos, so don't base episodes around stuff that's bound to be spoilered. It's like the first episode of Episodes where the entire plot revolved around them hiring Matt Le Blanc to be in the sitcom. But we knew he was going to be in it, because he was in the opening titles. That kind of scripting always winds me up. |
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Errrr??? Maybe things just take time?
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But they can't drop the news so it would be affected...
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They've already done that. I honestly think it's the best now that it's been in a good three years if not more.
It does need something significant to grab the casual audience though. Theoretically that should have been Danny Dyer but it didn't really translate in increased numbers. |
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Birds Of A Feather rated very well for several years. I think they had double digit millions for most of their runs. It did one year go up against London's Burning and started the series behind it but ended the series overtaking it. I think many people forget how popular it was.
Not quite correct Steve. Eldorado didn't just have unknowns it had many people that weren't actors. That was its biggest problem like the girl playing Fizz, not a trained actress and then they made her the main focus of the show. Marcus and Joy were far better characters and it should have been built around them from the start. I do seem to remember (no doubt someone will know right or wrong) that the first Eldorado had a lead out of a showing of Crocodile Dundee which back then still had clout (does anyone know the ratings for that night?). It is a sign of the times that CD got just 0.88 million on Saturday night iirc. |
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Looking at the Rugby schedules , as is known the BBC will have F A Cup football back next year too-so early evening quarter 1 Saturdays potentially even stronger.
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To me Dyer has so far been disappointing, little impact, I thought his character was supposed to be stirring things up ? I assume Alfie's trip to Australia coincided with Shane's spell in pantomime in December ?
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