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Sherlock - BBC Drama (Part 3)
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I really enjoyed the episode. At first I was a bit distracted and it was a bit tricky to follow the story it's only on second viewing I was totally able to grasp the whole plot, on the third viewing I'm looking for clues, that's why I like sherlock there is no other programme that I would want to watch three times
I loved the humour and sherlock eccentricity I loved the court room in sherlocks head, I thought drunk sherlock was brilliant , I know there was a lot of coincidences and a little bit unbelievable murder attempt but all in all it's fiction and I thought it was clever and came together well |
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In detective fiction, I’m familiar with being given a load of potential clues and red herrings. Actual events which can be misinterpreted, people using phrases which can be interpreted in different ways or people’s expression etc can provide these clues. Then there are events which are recorded and may or may not be significant. We then have an opportunity to try and deduce the answer for ourselves. Then, at the end, when all is explained, we can see how the relevant clues fit together to prove how the events transpired. In the best detective fiction of this type, the pieces of the jigsaw fit together snugly with no other sensible solution.
On here, several people have talked more about symbolism – associated camera angles, apparently obscure props in the background etc. It is not something I tend to notice. Has such symbolism, as opposed to more tangible and what I would call “proper” clues, been used in any of the previous series of Sherlock. I don’t remember any, off the top of my head. Can anyone think of any? Is it actually a method already being used by the writers to foretell the future of the story? |
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I agree with moleymo about the scenes inside Sherlock's head - as a series of conversations with people in a sort of courtroom or debating chamber. Internal dialogue is difficult. Much detective fiction gets round this by adding a side-kick to do explain it to, but as its purpose is to inform the viewer/reader, it often seems forced, and is better suited to two near equals developing a solution but it still doesn't really get into the thought process. You see little saints and sinners on the shoulder for basic decisions, but this method allowed a lot more, as well as the added comedy of a naked Irene Adler jumping into his thoughts. I thought this was an inventive and effective tool.
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Yes. I agree. Why was it so important for him to leave the letter on display for them not too miss.
It has to be the piece of music he was supposed to be composing at the beginning of the programme when Mrs Hudson walks into his room with a cup of tea, he tells Mrs Hudson he was composing yet as far as I can see he is playing a recording and transcribing the music notation. maybe he did write the music but I am not taking that for granted. could be a red Herring but why 2 scenes concerning the music notation. mystery is if it is a clue . name of the a piece of music etc. why would this mean anything to someone who can't play a musical instrument. as you say he may have just scribbled a quick message on the back of something he knew they would know is important, have to wait till Sunday and they will probably not even mention it.lol And by putting the manuscript into the envelope he's leaving the clue for someone to find. No idea if any of that is true, it's just a thought, and a way of the writers including another ACD reference in the plot. |
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I think this series has been more of one story, it just doesn't seem it yet. After episode 3 it'll all tie in with Magnussen. I think the theme of 'rehearsal' is a big one, and things in the previous episodes will be things Magnussen was rehearsing for his final game. John in danger, easily diffused bombing, etc. It will all tie in.
We've also not found out how Sherlock faked his death yet, and I have a feeling the final scene of this season will be John going 'oh go on then, how did you do it?' Leading in to the big Canopy revelation, easily the most plausible theory. |
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Sherlock composed the music and practised the dance-steps.... maybe the steps could have been a code, like in ACD's Andventure Of The Dancing Men. And maybe that's why the dance scene ran for quite a long time, to give us the chance to notate the clue by hearing the whole tune - a bit like how the theme music to Inspector Morse was in Morse Code.
And by putting the manuscript into the envelope he's leaving the clue for someone to find. No idea if any of that is true, it's just a thought, and a way of the writers including another ACD reference in the plot. Sherlcok has gave Watson Waltz dance lessons as well, he even asks them both to go and dance a Waltz just before leaving. wonder why the Waltz is mentioned so many times if it is irrelevant. |
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I think this series has been more of one story, it just doesn't seem it yet. After episode 3 it'll all tie in with Magnussen. I think the theme of 'rehearsal' is a big one, and things in the previous episodes will be things Magnussen was rehearsing for his final game. John in danger, easily diffused bombing, etc. It will all tie in.
We've also not found out how Sherlock faked his death yet, and I have a feeling the final scene of this season will be John going 'oh go on then, how did you do it?' Leading in to the big Canopy revelation, easily the most plausible theory. I think they faked his death had an idea of how it was to work out but then saw that people wouldn't believe he jumped off a building that tall into a waiting truck without injury so changed the story after reading people's comments on the internet, they even mentioned the reason they didn't use the van in the show |
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I think this series has been more of one story, it just doesn't seem it yet. After episode 3 it'll all tie in with Magnussen. I think the theme of 'rehearsal' is a big one, and things in the previous episodes will be things Magnussen was rehearsing for his final game. John in danger, easily diffused bombing, etc. It will all tie in.
We've also not found out how Sherlock faked his death yet, and I have a feeling the final scene of this season will be John going 'oh go on then, how did you do it?' Leading in to the big Canopy revelation, easily the most plausible theory. But on balance, I think it is all connected – including the train bomb and possibly even the bank robberies at the beginning. I also expect that the fall from series 2 will be explained, although I'm going with Sherlock into the laundry wagon and away, and the dead look alike dropped onto the pavement, to be accepted as real by a disorientated Watson My main conclusion, and the only thing I’m absolutely certain about is that... ...I’ll be watching it on Sunday, to find out... ...and then be left with a two year wait following yet another cliff-hanger (You XXXXXXXX, Gatiss and Moffat. ![]() ![]()
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I expect you are right regarding it all linking together. I found the idea that a lone disgruntled brother would be able to find and contact the 5 women who all worked for the major (? Re rank) who is hiding for his own safety, a bit far fetched - so tend to think it could be part of a bigger picture. Of course, in this type (if there is a type) of detective fiction, such disgruntled brothers are able to find people, so it still might be a stand alone story.
But on balance, I think it is all connected – including the train bomb and possibly even the bank robberies at the beginning. I also expect that the fall from series 2 will be explained, although I'm going with Sherlock into the laundry wagon and away, and the dead look alike dropped onto the pavement, to be accepted as real by a disorientated Watson My main conclusion, and the only thing I’m absolutely certain about is that... ...I’ll be watching it on Sunday, to find out... ...and then be left with a two year wait following yet another cliff-hanger (You XXXXXXXX, Gatiss and Moffat. ![]() ![]() ![]() Revisiting the fall achieves little more than a sense of closure for those fans who want it (personally, I've moved on and am satisfied with the way it was told). Also - and this for me is the biggest reason of all for not resolving the fall - to do so would be a backward step which will detract from the plot and the ending of the final episode. |
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I'm a little confused as to why so many people are expecting this. For me, what was said in episode 1 put a lid on this - it's not important how Sherlock survived, only the fact that he did and the impact his absence had on his relationship with John.
Revisiting the fall achieves little more than a sense of closure for those fans who want it (personally, I've moved on and am satisfied with the way it was told). Also - and this for me is the biggest reason of all for not resolving the fall - to do so would be a backward step which will detract from the plot and the ending of the final episode. |
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I'm a little confused as to why so many people are expecting this. For me, what was said in episode 1 put a lid on this - it's not important how Sherlock survived, only the fact that he did and the impact his absence had on his relationship with John.
Revisiting the fall achieves little more than a sense of closure for those fans who want it (personally, I've moved on and am satisfied with the way it was told). Also - and this for me is the biggest reason of all for not resolving the fall - to do so would be a backward step which will detract from the plot and the ending of the final episode. Hmmm, well YOU've seen Episode 3, so unless you're very good at playing poker, I'd guess that we don't get to hear how it was done. |
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Hmmm, well YOU've seen Episode 3, so unless you're very good at playing poker, I'd guess that we don't get to hear how it was done.
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I'm a little confused as to why so many people are expecting this. For me, what was said in episode 1 put a lid on this - it's not important how Sherlock survived, only the fact that he did and the impact his absence had on his relationship with John.
Revisiting the fall achieves little more than a sense of closure for those fans who want it (personally, I've moved on and am satisfied with the way it was told). Also - and this for me is the biggest reason of all for not resolving the fall - to do so would be a backward step which will detract from the plot and the ending of the final episode. |
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Went back and looked at THAT shot of Mary last night. As well as the horns, I also noticed there's a clear Dark and Light side to her face - one side is in almost complete shadow. No DOP worth his salt will have lit her like that for 'no reason', so she's got a dark side.
She's also wearing a top that has thumbs UP and thumbs DOWN, another blatant clue that she's both good and bad in some way. My prediction is that she will be used to put Holmes, Watson and her in a situation where Holmes has to save either her or Watson and he picks Watson. |
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Hmmm, well YOU've seen Episode 3, so unless you're very good at playing poker, I'd guess that we don't get to hear how it was done.
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Went back and looked at THAT shot of Mary last night. As well as the horns, I also noticed there's a clear Dark and Light side to her face - one side is in almost complete shadow. No DOP worth his salt will have lit her like that for 'no reason', so she's got a dark side.
She's also wearing a top that has thumbs UP and thumbs DOWN, another blatant clue that she's both good and bad in some way. My prediction is that she will be used to put Holmes, Watson and her in a situation where Holmes has to save either her or Watson and he picks Watson. |
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But we have been given an explanation
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We've been given three, I think, but I was meaning a definitive once-and-for-all non-ambiguous howdunnit.
I do think they probably moved away from their original plan though with everyone on the internet laughing at the idea of sherlock jumping from that height and landing in the laundry van which I suspect was their original plan |
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Can anyone musical confirm that what Sherlock played really was a waltz? Without a 1-2-3 beat in evidence, I couldn't tell. I thought the dancing looked a bit awkward.
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We've been given three, I think, but I was meaning a definitive once-and-for-all non-ambiguous howdunnit.
We're not going to be told whether or not the third version is the real version, or which bits were an exaggeration or not quite true. It's part of the mystery of the show - was Sherlock telling the truth? And if not, then what IS the truth? We'll never know. Time to just move on and appreciate the ambiguity as part of the charm of the show. |
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People who are expecting Moffat to resolve elements of the plot to their liking clearly haven't watched many of his efforts for 'Doctor Who'! Moffat doesn't do answers/resolutions.
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Can anyone musical confirm that what Sherlock played really was a waltz? Without a 1-2-3 beat in evidence, I couldn't tell. I thought the dancing looked a bit awkward.
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Well the only feasible one was the one sherlock told
I do think they probably moved away from their original plan though with everyone on the internet laughing at the idea of sherlock jumping from that height and landing in the laundry van which I suspect was their original plan How convenient!
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But that would just be a rip-off of Batman's dilemma in 'The Dark Knight'.
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Well the only feasible one was the one sherlock told
I do think they probably moved away from their original plan though with everyone on the internet laughing at the idea of sherlock jumping from that height and landing in the laundry van which I suspect was their original plan |
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