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Old 01-01-2017, 22:19
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I seriously considered writing out an entire thread prior to broadcast in each of your voices so confident was I that I could capture exactly the moans and groans and the nonsense that would follow. Depressingly it's all pretty much as I predicted. Kinda have to wonder why you even bother to watch the programme any more given that your 'review' is already written long before the opening credits see the light of day.
It's a bizarre by-product of social media- the rise of the professional hate watcher. DS and Twitter are riddled with them. Just check the Doctor Who forum- you would have thought the most recent episode was a crime against humanity the way some sad sacks bang on about it. But like you wisely point out...most of these people have already written it off and watch just to shoot it down. They are thankfully a minority. People on forums and Twitter think they speak for everyone. They are sorely mistaken. Which is why, just like the last Christmas special, Sherlock will get millions of viewers, great reviews and win awards. And this just makes the professional malcontents even angrier because BAFTA are yet to introduce a category for negative tweet of the year. So their great work goes ignored. Poor sausages.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:19
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Well this had the benefit of being a lot more coherent than than recent episodes.

Can't help feeling that there was 40 minutes of actual story spread thinly over 90 minutes..it did seem to go on a bit.

Sherlock himself got a bit too mawdlin and human for my liking and can't say I saw the point of the dalliance between John and Ms Awful Hair on the bus.,,there didn't seem to be any telegraphed issues with the Watsons marriage so where the hell did that come from ?

It was okay other than I'm not clear how Sherlock sussed it was Norbury ? Did Mycroft tell him ?
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:19
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"I just want somebody to bring Sherlock a case and then for him to solve the case" seems to be the prevailing consensus on Twitter.

(Yeah, I guess technically the episode gave us that in the first half an hour, but come on.)
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:20
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Jesus, how bad was that?
Why was the memory stick in a bust of Thatcher (apart from some BBC snowflake indulging a passion for smashing them)?
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:21
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What's predictable is those who would like to silence critical opinion. Nobody ever complains about page after page of unqualified praise but it seems pavlovian with some to moan about others saying they didn't like it.

Quite apart from anything else the "if you don't like it why watch it?" DS refrain is older than God and yet it gets trotted out like some Eureka! moment, as if it's never been uttered before.
You are critical about everything though. The only things you seem to enjoy are BBC 4 documentaries about train spotting or the British countryside. You even moaned about the Peter Pan show yesterday after 10 minutes yet continued to watch it. You are just a professional moaner.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:22
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What's predictable is those who would like to silence critical opinion. Nobody ever complains about page after page of unqualified praise but it seems pavlovian with some to moan about others saying they didn't like it.

Quite apart from anything else the "if you don't like it why watch it?" DS refrain is older than God and yet it gets trotted out like some Eureka! moment, as if it's never been uttered before.
"It's crap" is not critical opinion! Critical opinion requires thought and justified arguments. It also helps if you actually watch the programme with more than the scintilla of attention possible when you are typing forum comments at the same time.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:22
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People live in hope...knowing how good it once was, which seems a long time ago now...but hope is what makes us watch it...but if it's crap then we will say it's crap.
It's fine to say it's crap but not over and over again. If you continue to find it crap take the hint and stop watching it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:23
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Jesus, how bad was that?
Why was the memory stick in a bust of Thatcher (apart from some BBC snowflake indulging a passion for smashing them)?
It's an odd one alright.

The fact that 6 years ago in Tibilisi, someone should be making busts of Thatcher that all end up here is a bit of a stretch.

But then a group of agents all carting round the details of all their secret identities each c whilst going on missions, isn't the brightest idea in the world.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:24
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It's an odd one alright.

The fact that 6 years ago in Tibilisi, someone should be making busts of Thatcher that all end up here is a bit of a stretch.
A stretch is a under statement
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:24
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Well this had the benefit of being a lot more coherent than than recent episodes.

Can't help feeling that there was 40 minutes of actual story spread thinly over 90 minutes..it did seem to go on a bit.

Sherlock himself got a bit too mawdlin and human for my liking and can't say I saw the point of the dalliance between John and Ms Awful Hair on the bus.,,there didn't seem to be any telegraphed issues with the Watsons marriage so where the hell did that come from ?

It was okay other than I'm not clear how Sherlock sussed it was Norbury ? Did Mycroft tell him ?
I pretty much agree with all this, Sherlock seems to be a bit too aware these days. I guess it's character development but i'm not sure someone like him would develop this much. He's a bit too cuddly.

The dalliance was odd, but I can't stand his wife so I have sympathy with him lol.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:25
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I pretty much agree with all this, Sherlock seems to be a bit too aware these days. I guess it's character development but i'm not sure someone like him would develop this much. He's a bit too cuddly.

The dalliance was odd, but I can't stand his wife so I have sympathy with him lol.
It just stopped being clever. It was the opposite of clever. What a shame.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:25
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Jesus, how bad was that?
Why was the memory stick in a bust of Thatcher (apart from some BBC snowflake indulging a passion for smashing them)?
Because that's where he hid it? Try reading the original Holmes stories some time. It helps enormously with references.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:26
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Always dependable, though. Maybe he can redeem the mess this show has become.
Dependably mediocre.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:26
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I think the best way to describe it is 'meh'.

There were SOME good parts, SOME great mystery elements but they're constantly drowned under extraneous, indulgent nonsense. The show would be so much better if it went back to being a crime drama (something the creators were once very keen to insist they weren't so I don't hold my breath).

I don't mind it being clever and a bit convoluted but there's simply too much there which really isn't needed. A good script editor would have a field day with an episode like this.

It lost its way after series 2 and hasn't shown any signs of finding track again since.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:26
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I pretty much agree with all this, Sherlock seems to be a bit too aware these days. I guess it's character development but i'm not sure someone like him would develop this much. He's a bit too cuddly.

The dalliance was odd, but I can't stand his wife so I have sympathy with him lol.
But that hair !!!!
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:27
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It's an odd one alright.

The fact that 6 years ago in Tibilisi, someone should be making busts of Thatcher that all end up here is a bit of a stretch.
The story's based on "The Six Napoleons", they had to pick a modern hate figure, and Thatcher was presumably the name that resonated, hence also the ruse of the Black Pearl of the Borgias.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:27
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Couldn't agree more!

I wouldn't mind so much if they cocked up and ruined their own ideas, but they haven't the wit or intelligence to create their own shows so they ruin existing ones.
It is their show though?
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:27
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Jesus, how bad was that?
Why was the memory stick in a bust of Thatcher (apart from some BBC snowflake indulging a passion for smashing them)?
AJ hid it in case he didn't make it out - I think, anyway. The busts were rare -only six of them and thus he went looking for them all to retrieve his memory stick as he didn't know which of them it was in.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:27
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A good episode of Spooks.

However this is Sherlock Holmes. Just having him do the 'story of a person by the hairs on their clothes' routine every now and again and having things fall into place does not make a detective story.

It's all brilliantly well made, acted and entertaining but long stopped being the detective series of series one and two. You know... Sherlock Holmes!
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:28
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Jesus, how bad was that?
Why was the memory stick in a bust of Thatcher (apart from some BBC snowflake indulging a passion for smashing them)?
In the original story it was busts of Napoleon and obviously they updated that. Why Gatiss chose Thatcher? Who knows?
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:28
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I pretty much agree with all this, Sherlock seems to be a bit too aware these days. I guess it's character development but i'm not sure someone like him would develop this much. He's a bit too cuddly.

The dalliance was odd, but I can't stand his wife so I have sympathy with him lol.
Because that's where he hid it? Try reading the original Holmes stories some time. It helps enormously with references.
I don't think they can get away with this crap by using a loose premise from an original story. It just doesn't add up.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:29
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The story's based on "The Six Napoleons", they had to pick a modern hate figure, and Thatcher was presumably the name that resonated, hence also the ruse of the Black Pearl of the Borgias.
Oh I know where it came from but my point is that the item put in the Napoleon bust was done in this country...not blooming Tibilisi.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:30
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The story's based on "The Six Napoleons", they had to pick a modern hate figure, and Thatcher was presumably the name that resonated, hence also the ruse of the Black Pearl of the Borgias.
I suppose the difference is that the Napoleons were made in London, so them appearing in the area isn't a stretch. It didn't stick out to me as unlikely in tonights episode tbh. That may just be because I saw the old episode recently. I've started reading the stories, and Mary sure is different. I really liked her in the stories.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:31
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Um, well I enjoyed it. Wasn't that keen on the last series (except episode 3; that was pretty good) and the Special was just kind of 'okay', but thought it was very good tonight. Followed it fine and it's interesting to see a bit of character development for Sherlock. Skimmed the last few pages so looks like I'm in a minority on this thread. S'fine. There's some implausible stuff in it (of course) and for some reason I found Mary's 'world trip' v funny (mainly because it reminded me of Monty Python's 'World Hide and Seek Championship' sketch! ) but in fairness that was undercut by Sherlock already being there waiting for her.

So yeah; thought it was good stuff myself.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:31
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You are critical about everything though. The only things you seem to enjoy are BBC 4 documentaries about train spotting or the British countryside. You even moaned about the Peter Pan show yesterday after 10 minutes yet continued to watch it. You are just a professional moaner.
Not the first time you've resorted to misrepresentation because you have no stance other than *I like this and I'm annoyed you don't and are saying so in this thread".

FYI, I have NEVER posted about train-spotting or the British Countryside on or off BBC4 so right there, that proves my point about you inventing guff to score points.

Oh, and it's against forum rules to use pejoratives like "hater" and "professional moaner" so sadly you force me to report this.

It's a bizarre by-product of social media- the rise of the professional hate watcher.
Apparently you posted this from "Stephen Moffat's Pantry" which kinda gives away your pre-existing bias wouldn't you say? A touch ironic considering you're keen to say others make up their minds beforehand.
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