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Old 01-01-2017, 22:32
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Oh I know where it came from but my point is that the item put in the Napoleon bust was done in this country...not blooming Tibilisi.
And why would you hide a memory stick in a bust? What a stupid place to put something you didn't want anyone to find.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:32
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Very disappointing.

But on the plus side it makes the episodes I previously thought were weak appear a lot stronger.

Maybe it might work for those who give a shit about Watson and his wife. But for me that relationship has got in the way of the series and made for weaker stories.

I'm also growing weary of the teasers that Moriarty may still be alive. If he miraculously came back from the dead right now I'm well past the point of being shocked or surprised. My only feeling would be for the show to just get on with it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:33
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Have to say I really enjoyed this episode.

Good plot, great acting, a few twists thrown in. A great evening's entertainment for me anyway
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:34
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"It's crap" is not critical opinion! Critical opinion requires thought and justified arguments. It also helps if you actually watch the programme with more than the scintilla of attention possible when you are typing forum comments at the same time.
I can walk and chew gum at the same time too. If it warranted my full attention it would've got it - The good stuff does.

FYI - I never said "It's crap". I said "It's bollox" so you could've quoted that instead but you lot seem to enjoy making stuff up so I'll not stand in the way of your fabrication.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:34
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Well... in one way I loved it but it did comes with it's irritations. With each more complex multi thread case that unfolds, it makes me revere "A Study in Pink" all the more. Sherlock at it's most genius basically.

Mary's need to run all over the World was one thing and frankly a tad baffling, if she had stayed at home in her bed with Sherlock and John guarding her, bugger all would have happened to her !! Her extra need to take on the role of various characters was cringy in the extreme and how and WHY she did the swop thingy with the air hostess uniform is beyond baffling.

Given that Sherlock had figured out the secretary was the baddie, WHY on earth did he text Mary OR John about it to come join him. Wouldn't it have been paramount to keep them both safe and well and therefore far away from this encounter. Instead he summons them both straight into the heart of a potentially dangerous situation. There was NO NEED !!!

I also did not get AT ALL John's flirtation with the bus woman. What on earth was that all about. He adored Mary, WAILED after her when she died and they were a new family. Then we see him texting this bird in the middle of the night !!! Ridiculous.

Oh well...... John made up with him after returning from the dead, no doubt he will make up with him again somehow. Roll on next week, but for the first time, I do hope this series is the last one.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:35
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It's a bizarre by-product of social media- the rise of the professional hate watcher. DS and Twitter are riddled with them. Just check the Doctor Who forum- you would have thought the most recent episode was a crime against humanity the way some sad sacks bang on about it. But like you wisely point out...most of these people have already written it off and watch just to shoot it down. They are thankfully a minority. People on forums and Twitter think they speak for everyone. They are sorely mistaken. Which is why, just like the last Christmas special, Sherlock will get millions of viewers, great reviews and win awards. And this just makes the professional malcontents even angrier because BAFTA are yet to introduce a category for negative tweet of the year. So their great work goes ignored. Poor sausages.
Oh here we go .... the most predictable post of the evening.

Just go to most Doctor Who episode threads to see various copies.

Shame the poster never actually posts about the episodes in question instead always slagging off other forum members. Shame (s)he also never actually says what they thought was good about the episode either.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:35
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Um, well I enjoyed it. Wasn't that keen on the last series (except episode 3; that was pretty good) and the Special was just kind of 'okay', but thought it was very good tonight. Followed it fine and it's interesting to see a bit of character development for Sherlock. Skimmed the last few pages so looks like I'm in a minority on this thread. S'fine. There's some implausible stuff in it (of course) and for some reason I found Mary's 'world trip' v funny (mainly because it reminded me of Monty Python's 'World Hide and Seek Championship' sketch! ) but in fairness that was undercut by Sherlock already being there waiting for her.

So yeah; thought it was good stuff myself.
I'm pretty certain that Mary's "trip" was inspired by an old Droopy cartoon.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:36
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I'm really upbeat about the next two episodes, hopefully it will be an opportunity to bang on about how much I love Toby Jones like I did in the witness for the prosecution thread. I think I agree with Mark Kermode when he says anything with Toby Jones is worth a look, because he always puts in a good performance even if the film/episode is crap.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:37
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Happy New Year

Save John, me thinks the lady on the bus
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:37
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I'm rather baffled by all the negative posts. I thought it was an exceptionally good episode.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:37
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Given that Sherlock had figured out the secretary was the baddie, WHY on earth did he text Mary OR John about it to come join him. Wouldn't it have been paramount to keep them both safe and well and therefore far away from this encounter. Instead he summons them both straight into the heart of a potentially dangerous situation. There was NO NEED !!!
Yeah, that was dumb. Why was their presence required? Just inform Mycroft to bring the cops and be done with it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:38
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Because that's where he hid it? Try reading the original Holmes stories some time. It helps enormously with references.
So to understand Witness For The Prosecution we had to read all the previews, now we have to read original stories to understand Sherlock!
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:38
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I was surprised at that post-credit scene...

I missed it - was recording it and dipping in now and then inbetween watching Morecambe and Wise, too.

Did Mary really die? If so, how poignant, seeing that Amanda Abbington and Martin Freeman recently split up.
Anyone, please?
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:38
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I also did not get AT ALL John's flirtation with the bus woman. What on earth was that all about.
The original footage was 'real'.
The second time he is daydreaming when he's on the plane.
At least that's how I read it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:39
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I'm keen to watch more to find out how Mary is faster than a speeding bullet.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:39
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So where was Mary going? She travelled, got passports out of walls, rolled dice, crossed borders and ended up in the Middle East where she bumped into Sherlock - who had been tracking her. Did Sherlock, Watson and Ajay all just decide that this was where they would step in and stop her completely pointless travels?

All a bit of stretch really. I do hope that is the end of Mary. Let's get back to the boys solving crimes. Less Government, spies, conspiracies and world dominating bad guys.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:40
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It is their show though?
Sherlock Holmes was conceived by and originally written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:40
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It seems that most people on here were prejudging it before it even started. Why bother continuing watching it if you are not enjoying it. Totally daft.

Here's a suggestion. Don't watch it next week just to come on here to post how awful and up its own arse it is. We don't want to hear it anymore. It's beyond boring now hearing the same people continually saying the same clichéd things every week.
I didn't like it this week and I've never posted on this thread before now!

And I will continue watching it, because I used to enjoy it and I want to again.

I seriously considered writing out an entire thread prior to broadcast in each of your voices so confident was I that I could capture exactly the moans and groans and the nonsense that would follow. Depressingly it's all pretty much as I predicted. Kinda have to wonder why you even bother to watch the programme any more given that your 'review' is already written long before the opening credits see the light of day.
Right....

Maybe because it was awful?

Because I used to enjoy and want to again.

Noone writes a review before the opening credits.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:41
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I was surprised at that post-credit scene...



Anyone, please?
Yes Mary did die after being shot.

And in the post-credit scene the video shows her telling Sherlock to "go to hell".
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:42
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I didn't like it this week and I've never posted on this thread before now!

And I will continue watching it, because I used to enjoy it and I want to again.



Right....

Maybe because it was awful?

Because I used to enjoy and want to again.

Noone writes a review before the opening credits.
Except Straker.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:42
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Oh here we go .... the most predictable post of the evening.

Just go to most Doctor Who episode threads to see various copies.

Shame the poster never actually posts about the episodes in question instead always slagging off other forum members. Shame (s)he also never actually says what they thought was good about the episode either.
Fantastic performances across the board- goes without saying really but the main cast are so good at their roles its a joy to watch them at work.
Nice nods to not only this incarnation but the ACD originals- they've always been good at weaving in this stuff and tonight's episode was no exception.
Great direction by Rachel Talalay, just keeping the right side of stylised and making things zippy and exciting but knowing exactly when to slow down for the more dialogue heavy moments. The entire thing looked gorgeous and was nicely Bond-esque at times without losing any of the shows usual charm.
A relatively easy to follow plot, just twisty enough to keep you on your toes without getting into silly, over convoluted territory.
And a couple of twists I for once didn't see coming and weren't spoiled prior to viewing.

Not an all time classic episode of Sherlock let alone TV in general but a bloody brilliant 90 minutes of drama and entertainment which puts to shame most of the bilge that terrestial TV tends to churn out.

Oh and I like to actually watch TV shows and give them my full attention rather than posting on the internet through-out to win the 'knee-jerk reaction' prize. It's something everyone used to do. Back in the day.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:42
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Well I'll be kind and say it was alright.

But this show has lost its magic, it started to lose it in series 3, it lost it some more in the special one off episode and with this episode its finally gone.

I'm glad Mary is dead, I never liked the character, and Mary coming into the show was the beginning of the fall of grace, it was a bad choice to go down that story road, it got in the way of the great Sherlock and Watson dynamic that people wanted to see, it was an added element that I don't think many (if any) actually wanted and look where its ended up, it all just seems pointless and got in the way of what could of been good episodes/stories of Sherlock and Watson doing their thing.

I hope they don't dwell on Mary being dead, hopefully John will get over it quickly, and hire's a babysitter, and we can get back to the fun show like how it was in the first two series.

Edit - I thought the John Watson flirts with a random women in secret was an odd choice, don't know how I feel about that.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:43
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Sherlock Holmes was conceived by and originally written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Yes he wrote the original stories, but not the show.

There have been many adaptations of Sherlock Holmes, so they have hardly "ruined" it. I am sure the characters will continue on in many ways.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:43
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I'm rather baffled by all the negative posts. I thought it was an exceptionally good episode.
People always like knocking things.

I loved it anyway. It is obvious that these episodes will all be interlinked. So I will wait until the end of episode three before giving an opinion.

The acting though was top notch, and I really can't wait to see where they take it next. Looking forward to Toby Jones making his appearance he seems a real psycopath type villan.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:43
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Shame the poster never actually posts about the episodes in question instead always slagging off other forum members. Shame (s)he also never actually says what they thought was good about the episode either.
Indeed. Why this is the ongoing daily background noise of a forum for discussing TV continues to be utterly mystifying to me. Do people only come here expecting an echo chamber of their own opinions? How boring would that be? Are their views so fragile they're threatened by reading contradictory ones?

Deeply odd.
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