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Old 01-01-2017, 22:44
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The original footage was 'real'.
The second time he is daydreaming when he's on the plane.
At least that's how I read it.
Ahhh I see..... but even at that.... he is daydream cheating on her ! Why would his mind even be going that direction.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:44
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Absolutely awful. At the risk of sounding like Comic Book Guy, possibly the worst episode yet. A Sherlock Holmes story without a mystery is not a Sherlock Holmes story.

Also, season 3 began with Watson pissed off at Sherlock. This is deja vu. But don't blame Moffat: Gatniss wrote this one.
It was also seriously lacking in the Sherlock/Watson relationship, because even if an episode wasn't the best the way these two characters bounced off each other was something which made the show work.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:44
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Very disappointing.

But on the plus side it makes the episodes I previously thought were weak appear a lot stronger.

Maybe it might work for those who give a shit about Watson and his wife. But for me that relationship has got in the way of the series and made for weaker stories.

I'm also growing weary of the teasers that Moriarty may still be alive. If he miraculously came back from the dead right now I'm well past the point of being shocked or surprised. My only feeling would be to get on with it.
I enjoyed it but I really don't / didn't care about Mary and to me it was preposterous to indulge two or three episodes on her and weakening the Holmes / Watson dynamic rather than having Sherlock doing what he does best.

I'm now tired of the Moriarty back from the dead tease.

It is still very good but I wish they would just get on with it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:45
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Yes Mary did die after being shot.

And in the post-credit scene the video shows her telling Sherlock to "go to hell".
I don't quite understand how they are angry with Sherlock? When he faked his death, yes that makes sense, when he is being an insufferable arse, yes. But what did he do to Mary for her to say that before she died? John is just looking for someone to blame which I understand but her saying go to hell was just weird.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:45
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People always like knocking things.

I loved it anyway. It is obvious that these episodes will all be interlinked. So I will wait until the end of episode three before giving an opinion.
Oh Christ, I really hope we don't have to endure any more of Mary's spy-games backstory. Even the teasing of Moriarty is beginning to feel like chore.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:45
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Indeed. Why this is the ongoing daily background noise of a forum for discussing TV continues to be utterly mystifying to me. Do people only come here expecting an echo chamber of their own opinions? How boring would that be? Are their views so fragile they're threatened by reading contradictory ones?

Deeply odd.
What's deeply odd is someone posting the same opinions about a show they dislike over and over again. We got it the first time you posted you don't like it. No need to keep going on about it ad infinitum.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:46
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Further misrepresentation from you. Perhaps confine your comments to the show at hand rather than trying to shout down the opinions of others.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:47
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I don't quite understand how they are angry with Sherlock? When he faked his death, yes that makes sense, when he is being an insufferable arse, yes. But what did he do to Mary for her to say that before she died? John is just looking for someone to blame which I understand but her saying go to hell was just weird.
I guess it could be put down to grief and him lashing out. We'll just have to wait and see how he is the next episode.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:48
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Fantastic performances across the board- goes without saying really but the main cast are so good at their roles its a joy to watch them at work.
Nice nods to not only this incarnation but the ACD originals- they've always been good at weaving in this stuff and tonight's episode was no exception.
Great direction by Rachel Talalay, just keeping the right side of stylised and making things zippy and exciting but knowing exactly when to slow down for the more dialogue heavy moments. The entire thing looked gorgeous and was nicely Bond-esque at times without losing any of the shows usual charm.
A relatively easy to follow plot, just twisty enough to keep you on your toes without getting into silly, over convoluted territory.
And a couple of twists I for once didn't see coming and weren't spoiled prior to viewing.

Not an all time classic episode of Sherlock let alone TV in general but a bloody brilliant 90 minutes of drama and entertainment which puts to shame most of the bilge that terrestial TV tends to churn out.

Oh and I like to actually watch TV shows and give them my full attention rather than posting on the internet through-out to win the 'knee-jerk reaction' prize. It's something everyone used to do. Back in the day.
Thank you!
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:48
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Further misrepresentation from you. Perhaps confine your comments to the show at hand rather than trying to shout down the opinions of others.
Trying limiting your opinions to one or two comments instead of repeating the same things over and over again. It's beyond tiresome everytime you appear on a thread.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:48
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Oh Christ, I really hope we don't have to endure any more of Mary's spy-games backstory. Even the teasing of Moriarty is beginning to feel like chore.
It is pretty obvious that it will be I would have said. All this hatred of Mary or any female charcter thats get in the way of two male lead's really baffles me to be honest.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:49
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Sherlock Holmes was conceived by and originally written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
And has subsequently featured in dozens of works by other writers and been completely reimagined for hundreds of films and TV series. A large part of what people consider the 'genuine' Holmes is completely absent from the Conan Doyle stories and even those stories are not consistent from volume to volume. Like the Quest for the Historical Jesus, the Quest for the Genuine Sherlock is doomed to failure as people look down the long well of history and see only themselves reflected in the water looking back (to quote Schweitzer).
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:49
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What's deeply odd is someone posting the same opinions about a show they dislike over and over again. We got it the first time you posted you don't like it.
Well as any Doctor Who fan will tell you, there are some viewers who still make these shows appointment viewing despite having hated them for many years now. A few episodes here and there is understandable. But it must be very unfulfilling to give your entire evening over to a show you despise. and THEN spend the hours after it telling everyone how bad it was on the internet. Nowt so queer as folk though, as the old saying goes. I think the old kids show Why Don't You? had a suitable catchphrase that seems quite apt when it comes to this sort of stuff.

But this stuff just becomes a circular argument. I remember exactly the same conversations three years ago. Neither side will give any quarter and nor should they. People can do what they want and people are free to be bemused/amused by it and vice versa.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:49
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What's deeply odd is someone posting the same opinions about a show they dislike over and over again. We got it the first time you posted you don't like it.
I like Sherlock (first two series in particular). I didn't like this episode. I hope that clarifies it for you.

I don't see you taking people to task for saying they did like it. Whether that's once or more than once. Funny that, isn't it.....?
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:50
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I was surprised at that post-credit scene...

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I missed it - was recording it and dipping in now and then inbetween watching Morecambe and Wise, too.

Did Mary really die? If so, how poignant, seeing that Amanda Abbington and Martin Freeman recently split up.
Anyone, please?


Yes Mary did die after being shot.

And in the post-credit scene the video shows her telling Sherlock to "go to hell".
Thank you
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:50
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Trying limiting your opinions to one or two comments instead of repeating the same things over and over again. It's beyond tiresome everything you appear on a thread.
Tiresome you playing moderator. Maybe give it a rest although I'm savouring the irony of you admonishing others for doing exactly what you are now!
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:51
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I like Sherlock (first two series in particular). I didn't like this episode. I hope that clarifies it for you.

I don't see you taking people to task for saying they did like it. Whether that's once or more than once. Funny that, isn't it.....?
It does clarify it. It clarified it the first half dozen times you said it. It's beyond tiresome now everytime you keep repeating yourself on thread after thread after thread.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:51
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It is pretty obvious that it will be I would have said. All this hatred of Mary or any female charcter thats get in the way of two male lead's really baffles me to be honest.
Any female character? Who?
Molly and Mrs Hudson are beloved characters.

I know some hated Irene, but that was a long time ago. Personally, I think she was perfect.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:51
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It is pretty obvious that it will be I would have said. All this hatred of Mary or any female charcter thats get in the way of two male lead's really baffles me to be honest.
No need to pretend this is a gender issue. She just isn't a compelling character, and perhaps the least convincing mercenary in the history of fiction.

I'll be charitable and assume the writers probably realised they'd written themselves into a bit of a corner with the mixed reaction to her in series 3 and decided to spend an episode getting rid of her. I just wish it was better.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:52
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Am I reading into much by thinking there could be something in that phone to Sherringford by Mycroft after finding 13th on his fridge?
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:52
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Actually, mentioning the Study in Pink just makes me remember how good Sherlock used to be. Cases that were solved, satisfaction from an episode. The initial introduction of Moriarty was successful, but this episode wasn't a patch on those. I really hope there isn't another series after this.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:54
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It does clarify it. It clarified it the first half dozen times you said it. It's beyond tiresome now everytime you keep repeating yourself on thread after thread after thread.
Read and absorb. Then read it again:


Please be aware that having a negative opinion on a subject is not against our rules, and in fact is the basis of what forums are for - to debate your opinion. If someone is invested in a show and they don't particularly like it, they are perfectly entitled to state as much.

Posts should be on the topic of the thread subject matter and not on other posters. If you do not wish to see posts by a particular user, you can use the ignore function which will hide them from you.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:54
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I don't quite understand how they are angry with Sherlock? When he faked his death, yes that makes sense, when he is being an insufferable arse, yes. But what did he do to Mary for her to say that before she died? John is just looking for someone to blame which I understand but her saying go to hell was just weird.
I reckon we'll see the "go to hell" bit in context next week and it wont just be Mary basically telling him to eff off!
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:55
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Can I just say that predicting that people will complain about an episode doesn't instantly delegitimize their particular criticisms.

I could equally say at the start of a thread "I bet people will predictably post about how wonderful they think the episode is". By saying that it doesn't make anyone's praise any less valid.
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Old 01-01-2017, 22:57
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Have all the moaners gone yet? I try to avoid the first few pages of "reviews" on here, as people either don't understand what's going on (when it's perfectly clear) or think it's "crap".

Boring beyond belief to have to wade through - do they know how dim they sound I wonder? Perhaps they don't care.

Anyway, I really liked it - it was back to the quality of the first two series imo having lost it's way when it became steeped in sentiment in series 3.

There were some flaws; I agree that the Thatcher bust sub plot was unlikely. I actually thought Mary's trip was just too much padding.

I must admit I'm glad Mary's dead, but it seems she's still hanging around in spite of it. Oh, well.

John's bit on the side won't end well. I'm sure there's something not good there.

Can't wait for next week.

Who's Sherringford?





for the first time, I do hope this series is the last one.
Well that's remarkably selfish, given that if you don't like it you needn't watch it.
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