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Old 10-01-2014, 11:39
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11 things to watch out for on Sunday. This post does not contain plot spoilers.

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Old 10-01-2014, 12:28
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Louis Moffat will be in the next episode? Lol, they weren't kidding when they said they didn't care about the nepotism accusations...
Louis Moffat was also the boy who was scared and counting down on the phone with Sherlock in The Great Game. But i guess that is common knowledge in here.
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Old 10-01-2014, 16:59
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Louis Moffat was also the boy who was scared and counting down on the phone with Sherlock in The Great Game. But i guess that is common knowledge in here.
Admittedly didn't know that.

I'm terrified about this episode now...
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Old 10-01-2014, 17:06
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I think and this is just speculation. It might be Lestrade. Killing off Sherlock, would be in my opinion, a massive mistake as they have other series signed and flashbacks wouldn't really be as entertaining. Didn't Moffat say some people will cheer some will cry, so surely it can't be Holmes as I think everyone would be disappointed. With one of the supporting characters, if they go out as a hero some people would think it was a great ending others would be sad.

Mycroft seems too obvious from the trailer Mary too obvious as she dies in books canon. Watson, is possible but I can't see it. I hope it's not Lestrade as he's my second favourite character.
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Old 10-01-2014, 17:24
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I think and this is just speculation. It might be Lestrade. Killing off Sherlock, would be in my opinion, a massive mistake as they have other series signed and flashbacks wouldn't really be as entertaining. Didn't Moffat say some people will cheer some will cry, so surely it can't be Holmes as I think everyone would be disappointed. With one of the supporting characters, if they go out as a hero some people would think it was a great ending others would be sad.

Mycroft seems too obvious from the trailer Mary too obvious as she dies in books canon. Watson, is possible but I can't see it. I hope it's not Lestrade as he's my second favourite character.
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Old 10-01-2014, 17:32
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I hope it isn't Molly but Sherlock kissing her on the cheek, seemed like a goodbye, as they walked away
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Old 10-01-2014, 17:33
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Well, that's obvious then!

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Old 10-01-2014, 17:33
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I think and this is just speculation. It might be Lestrade. Killing off Sherlock, would be in my opinion, a massive mistake as they have other series signed and flashbacks wouldn't really be as entertaining. Didn't Moffat say some people will cheer some will cry, so surely it can't be Holmes as I think everyone would be disappointed. With one of the supporting characters, if they go out as a hero some people would think it was a great ending others would be sad.

Mycroft seems too obvious from the trailer Mary too obvious as she dies in books canon. Watson, is possible but I can't see it. I hope it's not Lestrade as he's my second favourite character.
BIB - if that's what he said (and what he meant, he is after all well known for putting people on the wrong foot) then surely it cannot be Lestrade? He's hugely popular as far as I can tell. Who would cheer at his death?

And Mycroft is far too important to the logistics of this show, he constantly "feeds" his brother clues and back-up that no-one else would have access to.

I'm sticking with the boring answer - it's Mary.
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Old 10-01-2014, 17:41
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BIB - if that's what he said (and what he meant, he is after all well known for putting people on the wrong foot) then surely it cannot be Lestrade? He's hugely popular as far as I can tell. Who would cheer at his death?

And Mycroft is far too important to the logistics of this show, he constantly "feeds" his brother clues and back-up that no-one else would have access to.

I'm sticking with the boring answer - it's Mary.
i hope its mary. i dont want it to be anyone else lol plus maybe some people who like the sherlock/watson dynamic will be happy to see the back of her been in the middle of half their scenes. or maybe thats just me.
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Old 10-01-2014, 18:00
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Totally agree, which is why a second viewing of these 2 episodes was far more satisfying for me than the first time around.
Me too.
Sorry for how clumsily I wrote the sentence of mine you quoted. I'm surprised that anybody understood it at all as it was so badly written by me. My excuse is that it was late and I was tired.
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Old 10-01-2014, 18:06
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I think and this is just speculation. It might be Lestrade. Killing off Sherlock, would be in my opinion, a massive mistake as they have other series signed and flashbacks wouldn't really be as entertaining. Didn't Moffat say some people will cheer some will cry, so surely it can't be Holmes as I think everyone would be disappointed. With one of the supporting characters, if they go out as a hero some people would think it was a great ending others would be sad.

Mycroft seems too obvious from the trailer Mary too obvious as she dies in books canon. Watson, is possible but I can't see it. I hope it's not Lestrade as he's my second favourite character.
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Old 10-01-2014, 18:06
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Admittedly didn't know that.

I'm terrified about this episode now...
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I don't think it will be 1 or 2 on your list -

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Old 10-01-2014, 18:16
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For it to be a shock, the character has to be one of the main ones, so that rules out characters such as Tom, Anderson and the policewoman.

I'd go for Molly, because:

Sherlock is the whole reason for the show. It relies on his personality. Without him there cannot be a show.

Lestrade, Mycroft and Mrs Hudson are integral to Sherlock stories.

Mary (and her child) would be too upsetting.

And it cannot be Watson. He is integral to the Sherlock stoies. It's unthinkable to kill Watson. It would be like the Batman writers killing off Robin - it could never happen.
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Old 10-01-2014, 18:22
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I don't think it will be 1 or 2 on your list -

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Ooh - I never gave any of that any thought whatsoever! Clever, very clever. And quite heart-breaking indeed.

And the hero of the day - this particular time - may not be Holmes at all I suspect.
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Old 10-01-2014, 18:42
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Why did Sherlock call Lestrade for help, when Sherlock has so many people that he could choose from?
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Old 10-01-2014, 19:03
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Why did Sherlock call Lestrade for help, when Sherlock has so many people that he could choose from?
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Old 10-01-2014, 19:07
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It must be Mary because of the horns.

Also her name is an anagram of Mr Astronomy - random and almost certainly nothing to do with anything lol
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Old 10-01-2014, 19:09
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It would be like the Batman writers killing off Robin - it could never happen.
I take it that's tongue in cheek, yes? Since they did it twice!

(Of course, they didn't stay dead - no-one stays dead in comics after all...)
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Old 10-01-2014, 19:16
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Why did Sherlock call Lestrade for help, when Sherlock has so many people that he could choose from?
Who are these "many" people? He presumably wanted a man's advice, couldn't ask John, wouldn't ask Mycroft, so that left Godfrey. Er, I mean Greg.
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Old 10-01-2014, 19:31
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Originally Posted by Granny McSmith
Who are these "many" people? He presumably wanted a man's advice, couldn't ask John, wouldn't ask Mycroft, so that left Godfrey. Er, I mean Greg.
Hi Granny, Sherlock has books on best man speeches.


I can't help feeling Sherlock was distracting Lestrade for some reason.
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Old 10-01-2014, 19:47
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I'd go for Molly, because:

Sherlock is the whole reason for the show. It relies on his personality. Without him there cannot be a show.

Lestrade, Mycroft and Mrs Hudson are integral to Sherlock stories.

Mary (and her child) would be too upsetting.

And it cannot be Watson. He is integral to the Sherlock stoies. It's unthinkable to kill Watson. It would be like the Batman writers killing off Robin - it could never happen.
Agreed. Molly is the only non-book main character really, so she can be killed without affecting the "canon" too much.

(I know Mary is already killed off but John remains married to various different Mrs Watsons throughout the stories so the Mary character could fulfill that role)

(I also remember Louise Brealey putting a photo on her Twitter of her lab coat with "goodbye Molly Hooper" on it at the end of filming and when everyone freaked out said "no, I only meant until next series! " - now I don't know what to think )
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Old 10-01-2014, 20:03
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why are some of you so convinced that someone is gonna die ?


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Old 10-01-2014, 20:22
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Why did Sherlock call Lestrade for help, when Sherlock has so many people that he could choose from?
I interpreted this scene as Lestrade's first chance (in this adaptation, anyway) of catching the criminals and solving the crime... then Sherlock needs him for what appears to be a trivial thing, and Lestrade misses out - again.

I thought this highlighted the fact that Lestrade is usually inept at his job, as far as we see, with his involvement in crimes with Sherlock Holmes anyway - both in terms of this adaptation and how ACD wrote the character of Inspector Lestrade.

Also, in so far as this particular scene goes, Sherlock lacks awareness of what is important to other people, and he can be locked in his own thoughts for hours on end without any awareness of what is going on elsewhere. Hence Sherlock's 'I didn't put you to any trouble, did I?' to Lestrade when Lestrade drops everything and comes dashing over to Baker Street - with the sounds of sirens and police helicopters overhead in the background.

Like I say, just my interpretation. This scene could have meant something else entirely.
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Old 10-01-2014, 20:34
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Originally Posted by nethwen
I interpreted this scene as Lestrade's first chance (in this adaptation, anyway) of catching the criminals and solving the crime... then Sherlock needs him for what appears to be a trivial thing, and Lestrade misses out - again.

I thought this highlighted the fact that Lestrade is usually inept at his job, as far as we see, with his involvement in crimes with Sherlock Holmes anyway - both in terms of this adaptation and how ACD wrote the character of Inspector Lestrade.

Also, in so far as this particular scene goes, Sherlock lacks awareness of what is important to other people, and he can be locked in his own thoughts for hours on end without any awareness of what is going on elsewhere. Hence Sherlock's 'I didn't put you to any trouble, did I?' to Lestrade when Lestrade drops everything and comes dashing over to Baker Street - with the sounds of sirens and police helicopters overhead in the background.

Like I say, just my interpretation. This scene could have meant something else entirely.
Lestrade trusts Sherlock as previously maybe Lestrade doubted Sherlock but with time they have got each other through the problems with puzzling cases by helping each other and maybe it was Sherlock's way of trying to save Lestrade from something. Maybe one day Lestrade will be in the right place at the right time for Sherlock.
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Old 10-01-2014, 20:52
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Lestrade trusts Sherlock as previously maybe Lestrade doubted Sherlock but with time they have got each other through the problems with puzzling cases by helping each other and maybe it was Sherlock's way of trying to save Lestrade from something. Maybe one day Lestrade will be in the right place at the right time for Sherlock.
Oooooh. I like that.
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