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Very strange to include Watson cheating if that is the case. I know he didn't really cheat, but texting other women while your wife cares for your newborn baby is low.
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At last! I think not but there's no doubt that she was made to resemble Mary, a version of Mary free of the complications and the past that she carries around with her. There's then no difficulty at all in seeing why that would be appealing to John and a very effective entrapment to be exploited by the new villain.
![]() I'm withholding judgement about John, until I know how it all ends. I can't believe he would cheat on Mary, even if it's just by text, but if he has, I'll be devastated. (I love Martin's Watson). I'm sure, though, it's part of some bigger plot and he's totally innocent. (Crosses fingers). |
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I think there is a lot of clutching at straws here from people trying to make the plot contrivances and holes into something meaningful. I really don't think they are. It was just a means to an ends and the producers don't really care if it doesn't make 100% sense or seem to fit.
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What? I wasn't aware there was an age limit. This will come as a bit of a shock to a lot of single grandparents and great grandparents.
Carrying a newborn is risky. I was not aware that single great grand parents could have custody of newborn babies, but maybe it is different where I live. My neighbours had to take care of their grandson when their daughter was killed in a car accident. The child was nearly two, and the grand parents in their sixties. No problems, he is now a well adjusted teenager. |
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Could Mary saying "Go to Hell" be referring to the village Hell in Norway? By the looks of it in the final episode
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You can throw many charges at Gatiss and Moffat with more or less justification. Not caring is not one of them.
(Or perhaps he does care, but is just a bad writer). |
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She didn't look anything like Mary, to me.
![]() I'm withholding judgement about John, until I know how it all ends. I can't believe he would cheat on Mary, even if it's just by text, but if he has, I'll be devastated. (I love Martin's Watson). I'm sure, though, it's part of some bigger plot and he's totally innocent. (Crosses fingers). |
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Could Mary saying "Go to Hell" be referring to the village Hell in Norway? By the looks of it in the final episode
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Well, he did 'cheat' on her. He ended it - or tried to, who knows where it will lead - but the intent was there, if only briefly.
I admit it looks bad. Humour me, I'm in denial. ![]()
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She didn't look anything like Mary, to me.
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Could Mary saying "Go to Hell" be referring to the village Hell in Norway? By the looks of it in the final episode
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Really? Take another look. There's one shot where it's almost impossible to believe that it's not her, especially when the nonsense on the airplane is clearly there to suggest that Mary is capable of a disguise so effective that even her own husband couldn't see through it (we know that Sherlock is and she's clearly meant to be a match for him in the spy skills department).
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Why did Mary die for Sherlock though, She has a new born daughter, that doesn't ring true to me (unless its a faked death) a Mother's survival instincts would be incredibly high after having a baby and being in the first stage of taking care of said baby...
And yet she jumps in front of a bullet to save Sherlock, why? Sherlock would of preferred himself to be the one to get shot not Mary, so she can have the family life with John and their daughter which is what Sherlock wanted, he wants them to be happy, he wouldn't want to break the family up just for his life (which he doesn't really value all that much anyway) and why would Mary sacrifice her life for him, sure she likes him a lot and Sherlock has helped her, but really choosing Sherlock over being there as a mother for her daughter and leaving John to be the sole parent in raising the daughter, nah don't buy that. |
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Really? Take another look. There's one shot where it's almost impossible to believe that it's not her, especially when the nonsense on the airplane is clearly there to suggest that Mary is capable of a disguise so effective that even her own husband couldn't see through it (we know that Sherlock is and she's clearly meant to be a match for him in the spy skills department).
Judging by newspaper photos she has scenes with Benedict Cumberbatch so I expect the meeting between E and Watson was no coincidence and will be part of the plot in the next two episodes. |
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To add on - Even if Mary felt indebted to Sherlock, sacrificing her life and leaving her child motherless for him is an extreme exaggeration of paying back a debt, it doesn't seem right at all.
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There was something not right about the episode. The directing, the music and the flow of the show was noticeably different.
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I didn't know anything about that, but I don't think anyone should read 'Go to Hell' as being an insult. It may be as you suggest, or it may be selectively edited, something like 'John would go to Hell for you'.
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There was something not right about the episode. The directing, the music and the flow of the show was noticeably different.
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I never cared about Mary. At all. Not even a little bit.
Glad she's gone lol |
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She could if it was a fake bullet shot at someone wearing an armoured vest. Why else was Holmes goading the "killer" while she still held a "loaded" gun?
In Conan Doyle's version, Mary died some time after the Reichenbach Falls incident, so Watson was a widower when Sherlock returned after three years. Knowing this, I assumed Mary was always meant to die. It was a question of when, how and why. Holmes goaded Norbury because, as he said to Mrs Hudson, he was over-confident. Arrogant. Cocky. Hence, his request for Mrs Hudson to say "Norbury" as a reminder. Similar to what Holmes said to Watson in The Adventure of the Yellow Face: Quote:
"Watson, if it should ever strike you that I am getting a little overconfident in my powers, or giving less pains to a case than it deserves, kindly whisper 'Norbury' in my ear, and I shall be infinitely obliged to you."
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well I enjoyed it but they totally ruined the death scene by doing that absurd slow-mo bullet thing and her jumping in front of it , it ruined the reality of the moment .
. btw - did we ever see the other 2 members of AGRA ? |
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If by different you mean bad, yes it was.
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I'd like to think it was Amanda Abbington's message to Martin Freeman.
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btw - did we ever see the other 2 members of AGRA ? |
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