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well I enjoyed it but they totally ruined the death scene by doing that absurd slow-mo bullet thing and her jumping in front of it , it ruined the reality of the moment .
. btw - did we ever see the other 2 members of AGRA ? |
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We saw the one who was tortured to death. Or at least we saw his shadow.
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That was the same guy who escaped.
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Definitely not Mary. Sian Brooke is credited as Elizabeth, rather than E, and it definitely looks like Sian.
Judging by newspaper photos she has scenes with Benedict Cumberbatch so I expect the meeting between E and Watson was no coincidence and will be part of the plot in the next two episodes. |
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No? We saw what he saw. Unless it's another way of filming which I am too old to understand. That he is seeing his own shadow or soemthing like that..
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Really? Take another look. There's one shot where it's almost impossible to believe that it's not her, especially when the nonsense on the airplane is clearly there to suggest that Mary is capable of a disguise so effective that even her own husband couldn't see through it (we know that Sherlock is and she's clearly meant to be a match for him in the spy skills department).
There are speculations that the bus woman may be working for Toby Jones's character named (major spoiler)
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Lady Smallwood was in 3:3, I presume because Magnussen had some dirt on her? She was complicit in the cover-up but I'm confused as to what her part was in the AGRA plot.
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btw - did we ever see the other 2 members of AGRA ?
Gabriel was killed at the embassy. Ajay and Alex were captured and tortured during their imprisonment. Ajay was the one in the chair and Alex's shadow can be seen on a wall. Ajay later said they tortured Alex to death. "I can still hear the sound of his back breaking." |
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Lady Smallwood was in 3:3, I presume because Magnussen had some dirt on her? She was complicit in the cover-up but I'm confused as to what her part was in the AGRA plot.
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The bus woman isn't Mary in disguise.
There are speculations that the bus woman may be working for Toby Jones's character named (major spoiler)
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I think it would be best if the bus woman wasn't working for anyone, that it's simply a moment of weakness for John and she was JUST being nice (she doesn't know he's married so it's not her fault), that's it.
It's good that Mary is dead...but what a mess of an episode to get to that point! I thought the first 30 minutes were GREAT but then, as soon as we realise the story is going to be about Mary, it all goes to hell... Everything involving Sherlock was brilliant (and we are even seeing an evolution of the character, with him becoming more 'human', him berating Mycroft over his reaction to the baby being the most telling sign), but the rest.....?
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And, once again, I didn't say she was!
She isn't, and chances are that was never intended.
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I think it would be best if the bus woman wasn't working for anyone, that it's simply a moment of weakness for John and she was JUST being nice (she doesn't know he's married so it's not her fault), that's it.
Thinking about it, she gave John her number, but he didn't give her his, so when he texted her with 'Hi', he knew who he was sending it to, but she wouldn't know who it came from, which makes her reply of 'Hi' a bit strange. Nice and friendly, but to a stranger nonetheless. Floozie.
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Seems I've been watching it wrong all these years! I didn't realise it was meant to be a documentary! I thought it was meant to be fictional comedy drama. My mistake.
But there comes a point were it crosses the line and becomes ridiculous. Like in this episode, in my view. |
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Yes, it is lower than a snake's belly, but unfortunately it's all too common. Without getting too 'Relate' about it, sex is often the last thing on many new mum's minds, whereas men tend to want to get back to it asap. The trouble for me is that they never gave any hint of that, or indeed any reason why John would want to cheat. He's meant to be the most noble and upstanding of men, yet here he is seemingly fooling around with someone who just accosted him at the bus stop. The nature of that encounter suggests there most be more to it than simple 'adultery'. A set-up/ honey-trap of some sort.
With regards to the texts, that could quiet easily have been Sherlock. |
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Perhaps in the following episodes, we'll find out why Mary chose to sacrifice herself for Sherlock?
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I thought the bus woman looked like Mary too .
can I ask a coupla questions - how did the whole meeting between Sherlock and the Receptionist at the aquarium come about ? and what was the point of Mary drugging Sherlock to go off and do what ? |
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That is assuming that it is in the same timeline when Mary was alive....it could quiet easily be after the event of Mary's death...showing John been able to move on with his life, though still seeing images of Mary all around him.
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With regards to the texts, that could quiet easily have been Sherlock.
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how did the whole meeting between Sherlock and the Receptionist at the aquarium come about ?
and what was the point of Mary drugging Sherlock to go off and do what ? Q2: She drugged him simply to be able to get away with the USB stick he had. Her plan was to disappear, but John and Sherlock had put a tracker on the USB stick. As you do. |
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True. With this show, you can't always be sure that what you're seeing is as it appears to be.
Again, it's possible, but Sherlock and John have never struck me as having the sort of bromance where they spontaneously text 'Hi' to each other. I think we were also shown John either thinking back and/ or reading the girl's number, so I believe we were certainly meant to assume it was to her. Q1: Do you mean why the receptionist, or why the aquarium? I can't remember why the aquarium (although since it was one of the receptionist's favourite places, it may have been her idea), but Sherlock twigged it was her after Lady Whatsit was adamant it wasn't her that betrayed AGRA. Sherlock put English Lady + is privvy to all Lady Whatsit's meetings + Mary's remark that receptionists know everything together and came up with the receptionist. Q2: She drugged him simply to be able to get away with the USB stick he had. Her plan was to disappear, but John and Sherlock had put a tracker on the USB stick. As you do. |
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Toby's face at the bus stop billboard reminded me of John Simm's Saxon in Doctor Who S3
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Can someone explain why Mary disguised herself as an obnoxious American and feigned illness to be wheelchaired off the plane - which really brought attention to herself?
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Can someone explain why Mary disguised herself as an obnoxious American and feigned illness to be wheelchaired off the plane - which really brought attention to herself?
. I am at loss regarding every Mary movement in this, so I would like to know too
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Can someone explain why Mary disguised herself as an obnoxious American and feigned illness to be wheelchaired off the plane - which really brought attention to herself?
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Can someone explain why Mary disguised herself as an obnoxious American and feigned illness to be wheelchaired off the plane - which really brought attention to herself?
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It was to get the attention od the cabin crew, in order to give them the feeling that she was an anxious flyer (people who are anxious or scared often talk too much/talk gibberish and American was just a cover). She then did the 'oh my god, I'm dying' routine, knowing that they would take care of her sympathetically. She also picked the member of crew who looked similar enough for her to imitate.
But what was the purpose of the switch? That made no sense to me other than giving us a mini-reveal of Mary not being in the wheelchair - suddenly she's the stewardess. It was almost like a comedy skit. It was a self-indulgent filler for a story and plot that couldn't fill the time without the padding.(I didn't hate the episode, I just think the show is a bit of a victim of its own success and it shows). |
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She isn't, and chances are that was never intended.

It was almost like a comedy skit. It was a self-indulgent filler for a story and plot that couldn't fill the time without the padding.