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Old 02-01-2017, 18:26
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so do we know what's on these memory sticks ?
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:30
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It was to get the attention od the cabin crew, in order to give them the feeling that she was an anxious flyer (people who are anxious or scared often talk too much/talk gibberish and American was just a cover). She then did the 'oh my god, I'm dying' routine, knowing that they would take care of her sympathetically. She also picked the member of crew who looked similar enough for her to imitate.
Yes, but why?
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:30
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Yes, I agree - that was my interpretation too.

But why bother with the switch? That made no sense to me other than giving us a mini-reveal of Mary suddenly becoming the stewardess. It was almost like a comedy skit. It was a self-indulgent filler for a story and plot that couldn't fill the time without the padding.

(I didn't hate the episode, I just think the show is a bit of a victim of its own success and it shows).
I agree, it was a bit of a self-indulgent episode, but still watchable.

Personally, I'm glad she has gone (apart from many inevitable flashbacks). I preferred the series as a modern take on the original books, without the need for it being 'too modern'.

The aircraft thing was just to show how random and careful she was being to avoid someone following her (although she missed the most obvious electronic tracking).
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:33
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Yes, I agree - that was my interpretation too.

But why bother with the switch? That made no sense to me other than giving us a mini-reveal of Mary suddenly becoming the stewardess. It was almost like a comedy skit. It was a self-indulgent filler for a story and plot that couldn't fill the time without the padding.

(I didn't hate the episode, I just think the show is a bit of a victim of its own success and it shows).
I think it was so she could just stroll through immigration, without having to show a passport etc.
If she had stayed dressed as the old woman, the stewardess would still have wanted to go through the proper channels.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:33
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so do we know what's on these memory sticks ?
Yes. Information about the members of eltie crack squad. Real names and so on. Quite why an elite crack squad takes such highly secretive knowledge on missions with them, rather than keeping them safe, is another guess.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:33
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so do we know what's on these memory sticks ?
Details of aliases, alternate lives and presumably (can't remember if it was stated explicitly) bank accounts, safe houses, etc. Though, as has already been stated, carrying that info (even if encrypted) around on a memory stick on a mission makes no sense.

Yes, a lot of the plot doesn't make real sense because a lot of the trimmings are for amusement value and effect - Sherlock not knowing when to stf up for eg - but I think the major plot points like the memory stick have to be solid otherwise it's just gibberish.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:36
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it started by saying what happen last time but it was wrong as last time it was about a woman who was dead killing the men in her life
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:37
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by the way mary is not dead
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:40
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also - what year is this series in now ?

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Old 02-01-2017, 18:40
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No I don't think it was (I'm fairly sure I know who it actually was). That's what I was saying. But it was someone chosen specifically to give you pause before making that determination.
The woman on the bus looked nothing like her
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:52
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The woman on the bus looked nothing like her
Yeah, I didn't think it looked anything like her either.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:57
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I liked Mary, but she often seemed like she'd wandered in from another show and I think they wrote themselves into a corner with her a bit. It becomes a very different show when you introduce Jason Bourne into the mix.

John has turned out to be pretty despicable. There's Mary recording this whole video about needing Sherlock to save her beloved husband and he's probably off bonking the vicar from her funeral.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:12
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Yes. Again. I didn't say it was Mary. I said it was someone deliberately chosen to resemble Mary.
Really? Take another look. There's one shot where it's almost impossible to believe that it's not her, especially when the nonsense on the airplane is clearly there to suggest that Mary is capable of a disguise so effective that even her own husband couldn't see through it (we know that Sherlock is and she's clearly meant to be a match for him in the spy skills department).
You said it was almost impossible to believe it's not her, but a) it isn't her and b) I don't think we are supposed to make that leap, especially given the text conversation being shown just as Mary had left the room to tend the baby.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:16
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I'm not enjoying this very bored I think Sherlock is a lot better without too many female characters they kind of ruin it.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:19
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I wonder what the writers were thinking when they added a totally irrelevant baby to the show.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:43
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You said it was almost impossible to believe it's not her, but a) it isn't her and b) I don't think we are supposed to make that leap, especially given the text conversation being shown just as Mary had left the room to tend the baby.
Having left the room? Evidence in its favour, not the opposite surely?
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:44
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I'm not enjoying this very bored I think Sherlock is a lot better without too many female characters they kind of ruin it.
For me it's not female characters per se, it's wasting too much time and money on one character with a preposterous back story which ruined the dynamic between the two key people. There was/is nothing wrong with Molly, Mrs. Hudson, Irene Adler, Miss Wenceslas, Kitty Reilly...
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:44
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I wonder what the writers were thinking when they added a totally irrelevant baby to the show.
Who says it's irrelevant? 2 episodes to go yet!!!
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:44
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I wonder what the writers were thinking when they added a totally irrelevant baby to the show.
Its only real purpose was to show the bond between the parents and thus make it more interesting when he gets flattered by a strange woman and also when the mother gets shot.

Happy families and all that
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:47
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Having left the room? Evidence in its favour, not the opposite surely?
But we both agree it wasn't Mary anyway.

My point is I don't think the leap is intended, she's not shown taking anything with her and she's unlikely to be sleeping with a phone about her person. If the leap was intended I suspect they would have shown her taking her phone, much as Watson was when he then took the baby.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:51
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Q1: Do you mean why the receptionist, or why the aquarium? I can't remember why the aquarium (although since it was one of the receptionist's favourite places, it may have been her idea)
Once she realised they would discover the truth after seeing them taking Lady Smallwood into custody, she told the office that she was going to the aquarium.

Around that time, Sherlock was on the Vauxhall Bridge when he had an epiphany after remembering various comments: "Code names Antarctica, Langdale, Porlock and Love", "You'd be amazed at what a receptionist picks up; they know everything", "the English woman" and "Don't minute any of this."

He ran across the bridge, heading towards the MI6 building, which is next to the bridge. That's probably when Sherlock found out where Vivian was because when he arrived at the aquarium, he told Vivian that "Your office said you'd be here."

She wasn't a receptionist, though. She worked for the MI6 as Lady Smallwood's secretary. She was at every classified meeting Smallwood attended, presumably to take the minutes of each meeting for her.

Edited to correct the number.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:54
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Once she realised they would discover the truth after seeing them taking Lady Smallwood into custody, she told the office that she was going to the aquarium.

Around that time, Sherlock was on the Vauxhall Bridge when he had an epiphany (after remembering various comments: "Code names Antarctica, Langdale, Porlock and Love", "You'd be amazed at what a receptionist picks up; they know everything", "the English woman" and "Don't minute any of this.").

He ran across the bridge, heading towards the MI5 building, which is next to the bridge. That's probably when Sherlock found out where Vivian was.

She wasn't a receptionist, though. She worked for the MI5 as Lady Smallwood's secretary. She was at every classified meeting Smallwood attended, presumably to take the minutes of each meeting for her.
MI6 building, Vauxhall Cross
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:56
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MI6 building, Vauxhall Cross
Thanks for the correction. Damn number.
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Old 02-01-2017, 20:13
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I wonder what the writers were thinking when they added a totally irrelevant baby to the show.
The baby will be killed in the next episode so John can get even more angry with Sherlock, only for them to become best buddies again by the end of the series.
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Old 02-01-2017, 20:19
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I wonder what the writers were thinking when they added a totally irrelevant baby to the show.
well it gives them material for mixing domestic life with spy shenanigans , but what will they do with it going forward , it's gonna get pretty repetitive if we always have to hear who's gonna look after the baby while they go on adventures .

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