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I'm glad I watched Mission Impossible!
Sherlock went off the rails in series 2, particularly the marriage episode if memory serves. Moffat is the problem in my opinion, not Gattiss. Moffat has ruined Dr Who, and now he's ruined his own version of Sherlock. It's interesting that all the professional TV reviewers are having wet dreams over this episode, but the online comments on websites like the Guardian all say pretty much what is being said here. Sack Moffat, or seriously reign him in, he's become too much of a dictator. These are our programmes, not his, and they do not belong to the critics either. Moffat should stop being a pretentious prat, with his head stuck up the media industries bum, and get back to writing for the viewing public. Anyway, he's done Endeavour a big favour. |
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Overall I enjoyed the episode and thought it was of good quality in terms of acting, production, etc. I'd like them to move on from Moriarty but others may disagree.
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That's interesting. Like Molly, I always thought it meant "Rose of the World". There's a rose called Rosa Mundi which means that.
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People are moaning because of they way it has gone downhill rapidly since series 2...how you can say well done the makers of Sherlock for this episode is baffling, knowing how good it used to be.
Just as I always have done. |
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I do wonder about those who are so obsessive about realism. On the one hand one would think the on-screen graphics might be a clue to the fact that we are watching a piece of artifice while on the other one wonders when we will get the criticism that Sherlock never goes to the loo.
The only deduction one can make from most of this is that Moffat, Gatiss and the gang are an awful lot smarter than the armchair critics. |
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It's interesting that all the professional TV reviewers are having wet dreams over this episode, but the online comments on websites like the Guardian all say pretty much what is being said here.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ct-cumberbatch |
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I'm afraid if it doesn't have Jeremy Brett playing the lead role then it's not Sherlock.
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My grandparents wanted to call my mum Mary Rosamund to mean Mary, Rose of the World. I think it's just a convenient romanticism of an already existing name.
![]() ![]() It's just an odd coincidence that the Latin words mean Rose of the World. |
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I rewatched again last night and one of the nurses in the preview for next week definitely looks like Mary.
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If you take two bodies, one died today, and the other died one week ago, and set them both on fire, so all that is left are skeletons. Would a medical examiner be able to tell when they died?
Not by the fire, since that was today in each case. |
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I rewatched again last night and one of the nurses in the preview for next week definitely looks like Mary.
That would be awful. Another fake death?! |
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Yes, so it seems (I was so astonished by your former post I looked it up). Strange people those Germanic types to call a baby girl "Horse enclosure".
![]() It's just an odd coincidence that the Latin words mean Rose of the World. My mum always hated the real meaning, especially since it's a pretty name. It did make us laugh seeing the name switch on TV, given my mum changed hers too. Though I stand by the statement that it's pretty stupid to call your baby after your original identity if you're supposed to be in hiding. Another thing - I've just double checked the original scripts, and Mary says that AGRA are her initials. I suppose I'm too stupid to realise that Mary meant 'the initials of my secret group of assassins, not my individual initials, obviously, the writers didn't make up this plot after the last one with no clear idea where it was heading'
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This Guardian piece seems more inline with the feelings here:
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ct-cumberbatch They've missed a bit in that review though. The opening biscuit nonsense was straight out of Matt Smith's Doctor Who - a place where it actually fitted in with the character. Last series they used the 'mind palace' for both Who and Sherlock (I think they did it twice for Sherlock with the second being the special). Now we basically have a superhero of sorts it seems, solving crimes on twitter, and behind his back on his phone no less. At least Moffat's leaving Who soon (hopefully to take Gatiss with him). |
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Yep! I actually double-checked before I posted because it's such a weird origin.
My mum always hated the real meaning, especially since it's a pretty name. It did make us laugh seeing the name switch on TV, given my mum changed hers too. Though I stand by the statement that it's pretty stupid to call your baby after your original identity if you're supposed to be in hiding. Another thing - I've just double checked the original scripts, and Mary says that AGRA are her initials. I suppose I'm too stupid to realise that Mary meant 'the initials of my secret group of assassins, not my individual initials, obviously, the writers didn't make up this plot after the last one with no clear idea where it was heading' ![]() ![]()
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If you take two bodies, one died today, and the other died one week ago, and set them both on fire, so all that is left are skeletons. Would a medical examiner be able to tell when they died?
Not by the fire, since that was today in each case. |
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BBC's Sherlock is not about the crimes
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The character's bigger than any actor, but I did rewatch a couple of his episodes the other day (most are on youtube). He was truly phenomenal.
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He really was. He was the Holmes by which all others are judged.
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No, that's not the description you used to defend Sherlock in your original post. You're being a bit dishonest here. You likened Sherlock to be like fairy stories, using the idea of a magical fantasy world as an excuse, and you didn't compare Sherlock to Batman you compared him to Superman (A superhero with superpowers).
You appear to be taking a leap to the side away from what you originally said. Which is fine, but why aren't you being honest with the poster you're debating with over the superhero thing? If you honestly conceded that Sherlock is supposed to exist in a world which is likened to the real physical world, no one will think any less of you. In fact I think that they might think more of you for being willing to curtail your ego. There are rules which need to be adhered to, despite what you say. They are the rules which the creators of this series have set out themselves prior to this episode in the series. They can introduce a new skill set for Sherlock, but they need to set the precedent for such a situation beforehand. They can't just chuck things in and hope that they will fly in the eyes of the viewer. If they don't do that then they are just going to jar the viewer as it will feel inauthentic and as though too much is being taken for granted. |
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These are our programmes, not his, and they do not belong to the critics either.
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I rewatched again last night and one of the nurses in the preview for next week definitely looks like Mary.
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It wasn't brilliant but I did think it was an improvement on last year's special and the whole of series three.
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Left wing, politically correct claptrap - and that was just the first 20 mins.
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So having only recently found out (due to this thread) that Martin and Amanda broke up I was wondering is that the reason why the character of Mary was killed off all of sudden, or was it always part of the plan for her to be killed in series 4 just after she had a baby with John.... (I know the character dies in the books, but the timing in the series is a little odd)
And I read up some things and Amanda said the reason they drifted apart was that Martin was spending so much time away filming that they got use to being apart, I wonder if that's why Amanda got the part in the first place, so she and Martin could spend more time together, Martin would have the clout to ask for such a thing.. the writers/producers are completely at the mercy of Martin and Benedict as their stardom took off in movies, they want to keep them sweet to keep them around... so its possible that the scenario I mentioned might of been what happened. |
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Overall I enjoyed the episode and thought it was of good quality in terms of acting, production, etc. I'd like them to move on from Moriarty but others may disagree.
The promotional material for this episode was very misleading what with all the 'miss me' shit, and it just appears to be a cheap and tacky way to get viewers to tune in. |
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