I just watched the 60 minute version of the pilot , actually I think I prefered it to the 90 min version , less fannying about . Still annoyed that they never give an answer to how the cabbie knew which pill to take tho .

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Nice try. Trying to silence anyone's opinion here is unacceptable.

You do know that Sherlock Holmes has many adaptations, right? As do many other works? Do you blast each and every one of them for not being "original"?

Nope. But this is one of the worst. Even Basil Rathbone was better, and his sucked too.

No old chap not at all, I meant do something new and original of his own creation not keep updating other people's work,
I have enjoyed most ( not all ) interpretations of Holmes my comment on originality wasn't about Sherlock but Moffat work in general

No I don't agree. There may be the odd person on here who might indeed benefit from not watching at all, but most of us who have been critical of The Mary Bond Disaster are pretty annoyed simply because we know how brilliant Sherlock used to be.

Ok - you know this beautiful little Italian restaurant. You've been there 3-4 times, and every time the food has been absolutely divine, the best ingredients a chef could find, everything lovingly prepared from scratch.
You've gone back today after a long absence, sat at your table beaming with anticipation, a big grin on your face.
Chef comes in and slaps a hideous half frozen pizza from Lidl onto your plate. He mumbles something about "experimenting, trying new stuff innit" and walks away.

How would you feel??

He didn't . He wanted to die, since he was dangerously ill.

As much as I love Phil Davis, I didn't like this first episode. "I don't do anything, I just talk to them, and then they take the pill".

Eh, no. You aim a gun at their face and tell them to take it.

I wouldn't expect him to close his restaurant just because I didn't like his new menu. Especially if other people were saying they did like it.

I just wouldn't go again. it's hardly the end of the world - there are other restaurants. (And other TV programmes).

Even if the opinion is that the programme should end? That would be an effective way to silence everyone.

I've never understood why suggesting someone who's expressed a hatred of a programme should just stop watching is considered a heinous crime. Surely it's just common sense? Besides which, it's an opinion, and therefore shouldn't be silenced, agreed?

That's a very defeatist attitude. Wouldn't you feel sad that beautiful food had been replaced by Lidl?

I don't want him to close his restaurant, I want him to snap out of his (hopefully temporary) mad delusions.

(And sadly there is no other Sherlock for me to switch to - it's a tad harder to produce than a pizza )

I think the point is that while this version is on BBC they can't produce another.

If this one finished another, different, take could start up.

Your missing the point...it was a show we did like and we still want too...the next episode might be great, it might be bad...but we watch in anticipation that it will be great.

Seriously though do the people who enjoyed this episode actually think it was anywhere near as good as series 1 & 2?

I have to admit that having watched the various 'takes' on Sherlock Holmes, I always return to the Granada series with it's literate scripts, and the incomparable Jeremy Brett.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UOTIW83oXs

Couldn't another channel do a version of Sherlock Holmes? Are the rights to the character still owned by the Conan-Doyle estate or are they in the public domain? I don't suppose anyone else could do a modern version (although CBS has done exactly that in the States) but might someone do a Victorian version? Or a sci-fi version? Or a western?

If you're waiting for Moffat to snap out of his delusions you'll wait a long time. I've been waiting 7 years.

You could watch Elementary (I lasted I series).


But it won't.


Well, I hated series 3, but think this series is as good as the first 2, so far, yes. Other people liked series 3. Some of them like this, some don't. It's just opinion.

Sherlock began well. Then it focused on the characters rather than a good, crime solving plot and became the up it's own arse, self important shite that it's been since series 1 or maybe series 2.

Just like the main actors.

You are welcome to be mine instead.

I thought that apart from 'His Last Vow' it was the best episode since 'The Reichenbach Fall'.

With the added bonus that the incredibly annoying Mary is dead (hopefully).

But it will never be as good the first two series simply because they made the single catastrophic blunder of killing off Moriarty - the most charismatic character on the show and Andrew Scott always gave a towering performance as the psychopathic criminal genius.

I am really hoping that he is still alive to be honest (however implausible it may be ) because his presence like a leaden cloud of darkness hanging over the first six episodes has never been matched.

The makers know that they have made a massive mistake otherwise he would not be mentioned in every bloody episode would he?

I find Sherlock very easy to follow so how anyone can ever be baffled by the plots is a mystery - but then I do always watch the programme on it's own late at night - no phones, laptops or anything else to distract me.

A solid seven out of ten but I really wish that the show would get back to the old format - and that Jim returns in the last episode to cause an absolute shitload of mayhem!

So agree with this, the Brett Holmes has yet to be bettered, and I don't think it will be, which makes me kind of sad.

What about elementary, anyone here watched it? Is it any good? I'm trying with getting it on disc

I enjoy Elementary and I like the performances of Jonny Lee Miller (especially) and Lucy Liu. It's very different from Sherlock in that it follows the format and general ethos of a mainstream American TV cop show, within which parameters the earlier episodes in particular are well written.

Yes! Obviously!

How does that even make sense? It started well but it's been rubbish from Series 1? Huh?

So the occasion on which they do stick to the books like some people have been demanding that's wrong too? You can see why we might get the impression that there's a lot of moaning for moaning's sake going on, can't you?

If people think Sherlock's lost the plot they should be aware that Elementary never had it in the first place. With the exception of a short foray into the Moriarty story (itself totally transformed) the series basically ignores the books plot wise. If you're going to watch it you need a very different mindset than some of those on display in this thread. It's Holmes, Jim, but not as we know him! Fine by me, I should say, with every episode under my belt to date.

For me all things Holmes are of interest and I've found something to like in most incarnations. I actually loved the foggy slightly horroresque Rathbone films.

Great aficionado of the literary interpretations and never put off by anything unless it's running contrary to canon. Some really novel stories have been that Holmes was really a woman who had to disguise herself to make it in a mans world or that Moriarty and Holmes were actually clones of the same actor from the future.

So I don't have a bone to pick if things are a bit different.

Where a lot of the Sherlock series leaves me cold is in being convoluted or trying to be clever or meta for its own sake, without any thought to trying to keep things "real".

Moriartys daft plan to bring down Holmes by committing suicide.

Holmes murdering somebody in cold blood then being pardoned to deal with a reappearance of Moriarty who appears worldwide like a super villain or the Master. It appears M isn't back but Holmes is off scott free anyway.

The problem with Moffatts Sherlock and his Who is that fast pace and random cleverness doesn't add up to anything memorable for me overall. I've almost forgotten what this last episode was about even with Mary's death. And I have a feeling, and it's certainly the case with Who, that if, in true geek fashion, you tried to go back over a series and plot things out, they wouldn't make a lot of sense.

It's the old Lost ploy of just chucking in new twists to keep the audience interested...it's not proper story telling imho.

Don't get me wrong, Moff can tell incredibly powerful individual stories but story arcs are not his forte.

With 100+ episodes under their belt it's hardly surprising that they have had to move away from any original stories! I too have watched every episode of Elementary & have thoroughly enjoyed them all.
The modern version of Sherlock does seems to work really well, the recovering drug addict that has connections in both high & low places. The interaction & character development between Holmes & Watson has been done really well & the casting of Lucy Liu as Joan has worked really well.
The one thing that I do like is that they seems to be more grounding in reality that Sherlock. The plots seem very well thought through & the whole deducing and solving of the crimes is mainstay of the show, with a longer arc of character dev & maybe arch enemies woven throughout each series.
IMHO there also seems to none of the up-their-own-arse, look-how-clever-we-are, you-didn't-see-that-coming type of story line that now purvades Sherlock.

I enjoy Sherlock & hink the acting is great, the cinematography is great the directing is great. The dialogue can be thoroughly amazing when Sherlock is whizzing through what happened. The bit that is grating now is that to me the stories to are written with an overpowering feel of smugness that comes through in each episode.