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Old 12-01-2014, 18:12
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I'm sure Moffat could make something out of it going by the last two episodes e.g. Sherlock and Watson spend an hilarious 90 minutes changing the baby's nappy before deducing that a cat stole one of the baby's rusks.
That'd be awful if they did a 2 men and a baby comedy thing.
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Old 12-01-2014, 18:16
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Mark Gatiss tweeted a few minutes ago to make sure everyone watches until the end of the credits, in case anyone on here doesn't have twitter
I presume then that it's not about reading the credits, but perhaps about one of those little scenes that shows or films sometime add to the end after the credits have finished?
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Old 12-01-2014, 18:29
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That'd be awful if they did a 2 men and a baby comedy thing.
Mrs Hudson could take care of the baby. She's already a very maternal figure so that would be in character, and give Watson a handy excuse to move back in to 221B.
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Old 12-01-2014, 18:42
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I'm sure Moffat could make something out of it going by the last two episodes e.g. Sherlock and Watson spend an hilarious 90 minutes changing the baby's nappy before deducing that a cat stole one of the baby's rusks.
Well the last two eps were hilarious to anyone with a sense of humour and who actually understands the point of this particular version of Sherlock. It was never supposed to be a po-faced traditional adaptation which always puts the crimes front and centre; if anyone wants that they should go and rewatch the Brett version (which I actually do also like). Moffat always said it's 'not a detective show but a show about a detective' thus leaving the writers room to focus on characterisation and the relationship between John and Sherlock for the odd ep or two. I still have no idea how anyone hasn't found this series extremely amusing (particularly The Sign of Three which was an acting masterclass from Benedict). I rewatched both eps and laughed just as much as on the first watch.

Some viewers are far too inflexible and seem to throw their toys out of the pram if a show leaves the path it has followed so far. People seem so ridiculously thrown by the shift in tone!
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Old 12-01-2014, 18:57
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Some viewers are far too inflexible and seem to throw their toys out of the pram if a show leaves the path it has followed so far. People seem so ridiculously thrown by the shift in tone!
yup

"Everyone's a critic"
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:04
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I presume then that it's not about reading the credits, but perhaps about one of those little scenes that shows or films sometime add to the end after the credits have finished?
Well I hope it is

Mark Gatiss ‏@Markgatiss 3h

Keep watching till the end of the credits! And then turn over for Timeshift: How to be Sherlock Holmes on BBC4! #SherlockLives
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:06
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Well the last two eps were hilarious to anyone with a sense of humour and who actually understands the point of this particular version of Sherlock. It was never supposed to be a po-faced traditional adaptation which always puts the crimes front and centre; if anyone wants that they should go and rewatch the Brett version (which I actually do also like). Moffat always said it's 'not a detective show but a show about a detective' thus leaving the writers room to focus on characterisation and the relationship between John and Sherlock for the odd ep or two. I still have no idea how anyone hasn't found this series extremely amusing (particularly The Sign of Three which was an acting masterclass from Benedict). I rewatched both eps and laughed just as much as on the first watch.

Some viewers are far too inflexible and seem to throw their toys out of the pram if a show leaves the path it has followed so far. People seem so ridiculously thrown by the shift in tone!
Totally agree with everything you've written!
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:10
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Well the last two eps were hilarious to anyone with a sense of humour and who actually understands the point of this particular version of Sherlock. It was never supposed to be a po-faced traditional adaptation which always puts the crimes front and centre; if anyone wants that they should go and rewatch the Brett version (which I actually do also like). Moffat always said it's 'not a detective show but a show about a detective' thus leaving the writers room to focus on characterisation and the relationship between John and Sherlock for the odd ep or two. I still have no idea how anyone hasn't found this series extremely amusing (particularly The Sign of Three which was an acting masterclass from Benedict). I rewatched both eps and laughed just as much as on the first watch.

Some viewers are far too inflexible and seem to throw their toys out of the pram if a show leaves the path it has followed so far. People seem so ridiculously thrown by the shift in tone!
It was a shift in tone from the first two series.

If this was a US drama series that had some humour then within the 20 or so episodes they often have a quirky episode and some seasonal ones.

I think there was too much emphasis on the comedy factor in the first two episodes which doesn't leave much for the big finale.
If tonight's is a gripping episode then imagine how it could be over three instead of the little bits and pieces of detective work we've seen.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:15
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My sister who is a huge obsessive fan of the show thinks that Sherlock is back on drugs

She said if you watch the first two episodes in this series there are clues, Sherlocks hands shaking....
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:16
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Lars Mikkelsen was brilliant in "The Killing". I do hope he's been given a script that is commensurate to his ample talents, but after the disastrous turn this season has taken, I worry that my faith will be deflated like a sodden pancake.

I still do not understand why they felt the need to meddle with a successful formula. By all means, thaw a little of Sherlock's icy exterior. And there's nothing wrong with solving murders at parties (a crime story staple, of course), but why so little attention to the detective work? A little sentimentality goes a long way.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:27
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perhaps because a 'formula' is also a creative straitjacket.

Ratings would suggest your perspective, while welcome, remains a minority view.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:30
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A wooden spoon is to be awarded to the first TV critic genius on this thread to utter one of the following about seven minutes in;

'im bored'
'This doesn't make any sense/isnt as good as it used to be'
'sack Moffat'

You know it'll happen.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:33
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I'm sure Moffat could make something out of it going by the last two episodes e.g. Sherlock and Watson spend an hilarious 90 minutes changing the baby's nappy before deducing that a cat stole one of the baby's rusks.
Blah blah blah

Blah

Followed by a bit more...Oh what a surprise - blah.
We kind of GET it by now that you don't like this particular interpretation of Holmes, so why do you keep going on and on and on and on about it?

"Oh, it's because I'm so so bored, and it's just my idea of fun" - yes we got that as well. Ten times over. Why not post in a thread that interests you. It's an entirely novel idea I know, give it a try though?
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:34
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yup

"Everyone's a critic"
I don't know why this quote keeps being posted in the thread as though there's something wrong with being a critic.
It's starting to get as irritating when Doctor Who fans keep posting 'Timey Wimey'.

Of course everyone is a critic. Somebody either likes something or they don't. It's what helps somebody discern what they want to watch and what they don't.

Or course everyone is a critic. There would be something wrong if they weren't.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:34
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Well we know someone might die from the head honcho himself. so why not go the whole hog and have everyone die at the end.

That will really screw the obsessives up for two years before the next series is made....
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:38
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I don't know why this quote keeps being posted in the thread as though there's something wrong with being a critic.
It's starting to get as irritating when Doctor Who fans keep posting 'Timey Wimey'.

Of course everyone is a critic. Somebody either likes something or they don't. It's what helps somebody discern what they want to watch and what they don't.

Or course everyone is a critic. There would be something wrong if they weren't.
There's a difference between using ones critical faculties in an interesting and intelligent way and just mindlessly hating something. The usual suspects have already begin slating the episode before its even started. Because they don't take the show at face value. They have an agenda and it will spoil the thread for everyone else. Last weeks thread was spoilt for some hours after by two people who slagged off the show but admitted not having even watched it. That's ludicrous.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:39
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Anyway. Enough about that. Time to enjoy the episode and look forward to discussing it with fans of the show.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:41
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God help us all if someone notices that Moffat has hired his second cousin twice removed to be junior wardrobe assistant and his auntie and uncle to be extras.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:46
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God help us all if someone notices that Moffat has hired his second cousin twice removed to be junior wardrobe assistant and his auntie and uncle to be extras.
Sack him!



Oh. Guess a wooden spoon for me then.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:49
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There's a difference between using ones critical faculties in an interesting and intelligent way and just mindlessly hating something. The usual suspects have already begin slating the episode before its even started. Because they don't take the show at face value. They have an agenda and it will spoil the thread for everyone else. Last weeks thread was spoilt for some hours after by two people who slagged off the show but admitted not having even watched it. That's ludicrous.
Why not just ignore the posts then?
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:52
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perhaps because a 'formula' is also a creative straitjacket.

Ratings would suggest your perspective, while welcome, remains a minority view.
Not really. The fan base of the first two series meant it was going to get good ratings.
Ep1 was a bit off kilter but it was a reintroduction back into Sherlock's world.
Ok, Ep2 will be back to normal though. Oh wait, a comedy episode.
Ep3 is looking good though. Big baddie is showing up in this one.

I haven't thought the shift from the first two series has improved the show but i've tuned in to add to those ratings and will be tuning in tonight.
I am expecting a shift back this episode though.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:55
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yup

"Everyone's a critic"
There's a difference between using ones critical faculties in an interesting and intelligent way and just mindlessly hating something. The usual suspects have already begin slating the episode before its even started. Because they don't take the show at face value. They have an agenda and it will spoil the thread for everyone else. Last weeks thread was spoilt for some hours after by two people who slagged off the show but admitted not having even watched it. That's ludicrous.
I see just as much negativity coming from people who enjoy the show looking down on and making caustic comments against people who didn't enjoy something about the show.

'Throwing their toys out of the pram', 'mindlessly hating something', 'usual suspects'. Comments such as these are no better than the posts they are criticising.
Which ironically means that the use of the comment 'Everyone's a critic' bounces right back into their own face.

If somebody doesn't like a show, then so what? It's their opinion. It doesn't make their opinion any more right or wrong than anyone else's, whether they're in the majority or not.

I don't like it when it appears that the 'critics' for lack of a better term are being goaded and coaxed by others who appear to actually be looking for an argument, and appear to waiting with anticipation for people to comment on here while the episode is on so that they can have a go at them.
I can see right now that some are in the traps champing at the bit, who can't wait for the arguing to start.
If someone posts during the episode then just ignore them, it's not hard.

If anything spoils threads it's not people posting critical comments, it's the bickering between people about the fact that someone has criticised the show.
If the 'critics' are in a minority then what's the problem if the majority of people like the show?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Apart from as others have said people who criticise an episode without watching it.

This should be quite a happy time just before the episode is due to start in half an hour. The last thing I think most people want is 'fans' and 'critics' starting to have personal digs at each other at this critical time before the episode is about to start.
The thread has been a nice place to be over the last few days with a good atmosphere with little, if any, bitter arguing between people at all.
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:55
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Time to enjoy the episode and look forward to discussing it with fans of the show.
Definitely!

I've really enjoyed the past two episodes, and appreciated both even more on a second viewing.

I shall be giving the show my full attention, so won't even come on here until it's over.

Just over half an hour until showtime, so time to go and get my TV snacks and drink ready!
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Old 12-01-2014, 19:58
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I see just as much negativity coming from people who enjoy the show looking down on and making caustic comments against people who didn't enjoy something about the show.

'Throwing their toys out of the pram', 'mindlessly hating something', 'usual suspects'. Comments such as these are no better than the posts they are criticising.
Which ironically means that the use of the comment 'Everyone's a critic' bounces right back into their own face.

If somebody doesn't like a show, then so what? It's their opinion. It doesn't make their opinion any more right or wrong than anyone else's, whether they're in the majority or not.

I don't like it when it appears that the 'critics' for lack of a better term are being goaded and coaxed by others who appear to actually be looking for an argument, and appear to waiting with anticipation for people to comment on here while the episode is on so that they can have a go at them.

If anything spoils threads it's not people posting critical comments, it's the bickering between people about the fact that someone has criticised the show.
If the 'critics' are in a minority then what's the problem if the majority of people like the show?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Apart from as others have said people who criticise an episode without watching it.

This should be quite a happy time just before the episode is due to start in half an hour. The last thing I think most people want is 'fans' and 'critics' starting to have personal digs at each other at this critical time before the episode is about to start.
The thread has been a nice place to be over the last few days with a good atmosphere and hardly any, if at all, bitter arguing between people at all.
You cannot criticize an episode of television seriously if you haven't watched it. So it understandably annoys some people. If it doesn't bother you then that's fine.

Anyway. I agree. Best to leave the arguments and infighting and enjoy the episode.
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Old 12-01-2014, 20:03
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You may despise the liberties taken with the canon.
You may despair at the Gatiss/Moffat narrative trajectory,
but one thing you may be certain of, the ratings have been astronomical and I put it to you that the ratings for 'Vow' will take the product into a new stratosphere
I repeat, your view matters. It remains, however, the specific view of a numerically insignificant minority.

And if you were a BBC commissioner, would you really take it into consideration ?
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