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Old 12-01-2014, 22:04
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I missed him. Proper criminal mastermind. This new one who was billed as supreme evil was supreme shite.

Get Moriarty back. Get proper crimes to solve back. Stop the 'ooh we've written a hit' love in. Put Mary in the background. Stop trying to be funny (Cumberbatch and Freeman worked with their lines in S1&2 to make them subtly humorous, no need for the OTT scenes). Stop arsing about with flashbacks and non linear plots. Stop having about 12 things going on at once. Stop planting spoilers and thinking that that makes up for shite episodes because "all will become clear". Start writing a better series 4.
So you didn't like it then?
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:04
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I normally lurk and rarely post but I need a valve to let of steam.

Series One was fascinating. Series Two was a little plodding and ultimately unsatisfying. Series Three has been complete drivel.

Having self congratulatingly killed off Holmes and then brought him back to life again, episode one rips off the plot from 'V from Vendetta' complete the same police detective. Episode two manages to get through 90 minutes without any real detective work, and then this soporific nonsense.

The trouble with Sherlock is that it thinks it's clever and spends every waking moment telling you it is, including when it isn't on. Do you remember when Sherlock Holmes actually solved crimes rather then being the cause of them?

And then the most obvious plot twist right at the end, because they have nowhere else to go.

I cannot wait for Elementary to come back. Cleverness hidden in plain site, plots that rattle along, thoughtful story arcs. And detective work.
You should post more because you are absolutely spot on.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:04
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I missed him. Proper criminal mastermind. This new one who was billed as supreme evil was supreme shite.

Get Moriarty back. Get proper crimes to solve back. Stop the 'ooh we've written a hit' love in. Put Mary in the background. Stop trying to be funny (Cumberbatch and Freeman worked with their lines in S1&2 to make them subtly humorous, no need for the OTT scenes). Stop arsing about with flashbacks and non linear plots. Stop having about 12 things going on at once. Stop planting spoilers and thinking that that makes up for shite episodes because "all will become clear". Start writing a better series 4.
It was good, but I agree with all you have said.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:04
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"Did you miss me??" YES, indeed I did, now please bring s4 up to the standard in which you previously left the show, and all will be forgiven.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:04
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It was never boring but it all felt quite abrupt. None of the 3 season's episodes had a decent mystery, and I can take or leave Moriarty, who is apparently an immortal God now so whatever.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:05
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I normally lurk and rarely post but I need a valve to let of steam.

Series One was fascinating. Series Two was a little plodding and ultimately unsatisfying. Series Three has been complete drivel.

Having self congratulatingly killed off Holmes and then brought him back to life again, episode one rips off the plot from 'V from Vendetta' complete the same police detective. Episode two manages to get through 90 minutes without any real detective work, and then this soporific nonsense.

The trouble with Sherlock is that it thinks it's clever and spends every waking moment telling you it is, including when it isn't on. Do you remember when Sherlock Holmes actually solved crimes rather then being the cause of them?

And then the most obvious plot twist right at the end, because they have nowhere else to go.

I cannot wait for Elementary to come back. Cleverness hidden in plain site, plots that rattle along, thoughtful story arcs. And detective work.
Err...he was killed and brought back to life in the books.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:05
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So, what did you think? My thoughts ...

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Old 12-01-2014, 22:05
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I enjoyed the first two. But that was one of Moffats greatest ever works. Close to perfection.
I didn't really care much for the first two, but I agree this was one of Moffat's greatest ever works. Wowsers!
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:05
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Dear God, that was fantastic. After a slightly weak first two episodes (compared to previous Sherlock episodes), Moffat brings the show well and truly back on form.
I especially loved the scenes in Sherlock's mind after he had been shot and Sherlock pulling out a gun and executing Magnussen (spelling) was a genuinely shocking scene which really does remind us that he is indeed a sociopath.

We may not have got a proper explanation as to how he faked his death...but maybe we'll get a proper explanation as to how Moriarty faked his death. In about two years time.

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Old 12-01-2014, 22:06
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Err...he was killed and brought back to life in the books.
Don't expect these people to actually have read the books. They just want to slag it off.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:06
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Moriaty back? Who next, Magnusson? Cheap and dumb writing for a show that had nowhere to go.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:06
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After 2 really sub par episodes in my opinion we get an hour and 20 minutes of perfection.

And then the ending that I didn't like.

Magnusson is summarily executed by Holmes..a weakness in Magunssins ploy that the evil genius didn't see coming and something which I don't like to see Holmes doing.

And Holmes penalty in typical Moffatt moving quickly on fashion is wiped out with the return of Moriarty.

It just felt like vast tranches of genius and the promise of great things were let down in the end by a glib solution which we are meant to overlook because we get a tasty cliff-hanger.

95% great for me with a crappy ending and more of the jam tomorrow promises so symptomatic of Moffatts work.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:06
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Damn it I still love Jeremy Brett!
Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes wouldn't tolerate the old Mrs Watson butting in on cases.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:06
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Magnussen reminded me of Rupert Murdoch
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:06
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Sherlock should not have killed Magnusson.

Mary could have died without any problem IMO; the original Watson was married more than once.

Sherlock is not a super human like in Dr Who; he should not have committed murder and immediately been invited back to save England.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:07
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We may not have got a proper explanation as to how he faked his death...but maybe we'll get a proper explanation as to how Moriarty faked his death.
I very much doubt we will - probably best to accept that now rather than go down the fan theory rabbit hole.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:07
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I Cannot Cope.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:07
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Well it will be interesting to see how they bring Moriarty back if that was him on the roof.

People will be chatting for another two years now.

Maybe they will explain why he shot himself with one gun, fell to the ground with none in his hand and seemed to be on the floor with a different one he he.

Some people have mentioned blank guns but putting a blank gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger will also make a mess of your head.

Will be interesting to see if it is Moriarty or someone else blackmailing people into thinking it is moriarty.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:07
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epp 3 saved this series in terms of entertainment - however the 1-2-3 arc was pretty clever.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:07
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I normally lurk and rarely post but I need a valve to let of steam.

Series One was fascinating. Series Two was a little plodding and ultimately unsatisfying. Series Three has been complete drivel.

Having self congratulatingly killed off Holmes and then brought him back to life again, episode one rips off the plot from 'V from Vendetta' complete the same police detective. Episode two manages to get through 90 minutes without any real detective work, and then this soporific nonsense.

The trouble with Sherlock is that it thinks it's clever and spends every waking moment telling you it is, including when it isn't on. Do you remember when Sherlock Holmes actually solved crimes rather then being the cause of them?

And then the most obvious plot twist right at the end, because they have nowhere else to go.

I cannot wait for Elementary to come back. Cleverness hidden in plain site, plots that rattle along, thoughtful story arcs. And detective work.
Agree as well apart from Elementary, though I preferred previous seasons of this new modern one.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:08
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A brilliant finale to end the season.

Would be interesting to see how they bring Moriarty back.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:08
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Does anyone die in this show anymore?
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:08
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Magnusson was a bit crap: all the information stored in a mind. Well duh! I wonder how the authorities can ensure the archives are totally destroyed?

Kill Magnusson!

Wow what a genius idea.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:08
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We're going to have to try and tolerate her.
lol hopefully she will be less prominent in season 4. i hope.
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Old 12-01-2014, 22:08
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Don't expect these people to actually have read the books. They just want to slag it off.
Yes I remember that time he took the helicopter trips in the book, well ahead of its time.
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