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i sort of enjoyed it, but all the way through i was painfully aware that it is the acting of Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman that make the programme work for me.
I won't repeat criticisms that have been posted already but things in the writing really annoy me; an example would be in episode two Mary, as a doctor's receptionist, announcing each patient with their ailment for comedic effect drove me bonkers, that never happens and i found it tiresome. It wasn't needed to show the tedium of John's day. i guess i am a lone voice in that i don't like the portrayal of Moriarty, it is overly hammy for my tastes. To end on a positive note though i do like Holmes and Watson their chemistry and performance really make the show for me, without them i doubt the programme would be the success it is... |
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Loved it all the way through! Stunning TV. Right up to the point where Sherlock Shot Magnusson. Would have much preferred it if he had outwitted him, but i suppose it does tie in with the original story.
Great to see Moriarty is back! |
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Not quite a lone voice as I couldn't stand his hammy, eye-rolling over-the-top performance either. It was a blatant rip-off of John Simm's equally unbearable Master in 'Doctor Who'.
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Not quite a lone voice as I couldn't stand his hammy, eye-rolling over-the-top performance either. It was a blatant rip-off of John Simm's equally unbearable Master in 'Doctor Who'.
He's not a master criminal he's a loon. |
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Not quite a lone voice as I couldn't stand his hammy, eye-rolling over-the-top performance either. It was a blatant rip-off of John Simm's equally unbearable Master in 'Doctor Who'.
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He easily accepted the laptop - a shrewd man who didn't want to be part of something big would have dismissed Sherlock's gift.
There are reasons to think that Mycroft's acceptance of him may have less to do with believing him an asset and more to do with something seedy Mycroft has done. Also yes that's entirely possible (RE: Mycroft). |
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And this nationwide broadcast is so OTT that it doesn't bode well.
He's not a master criminal he's a loon. |
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Weren't you also arguing with everyone about how much you hated Dr Who on Christmas night. Why do you watch all this stuff you don't like? I haven't got the time.
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And this nationwide broadcast is so OTT that it doesn't bode well.
He's not a master criminal he's a loon. |
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Just London wide wasn't it?
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The case didn't warrant 90 minutes of television. It was too thin. Mary was revealed to have a dark past but after that nothing much happened until the end.
Magnusson was never presented as being 'evil' enough to warrant his execution. Robert Hardy was much more convincing in this respect in ITV's iffy 'Master Blackmailer'. In that it is someone who is being directly blackmailed who kills Milverton, not Sherlock, and the consequences of the blackmail on individuals is shown to be much more severe than in tonight's episode. As I said before, the 'twists' were too predictable. There was a lot of what might be called padding. All the stuff at the Holmes house at Christmas I could've done without. Same goes for the endless sequence after Sherlock is shot. Sherlock, again, doesn't have to use his powers of deduction. He just shoots someone. Little sense of the characters being in jeopardy. In the episode itself it highlighted the fact that Sherlock is a sociopath, (or psychopath if you prefer), but it also highlighted what ensures that he is a force for good in that he does kill people. That's the difference. So for me that was a line that should never have been crossed. You can't have Sherlock just killing people to solve a problem. It doesn't sit right and it undermines the image of him having this remarkable talent for solving crimes. All this mind palace stuff, and it comes down to simply shooting somebody in the head with a gun. No, that doesn't sit right with me at all. Shouldn't have crossed that line as far as I'm concerned. In regard to your other points. Perhaps the Holmes house at Christmas could be described as padding. But I felt that the sequence after Sherlock was shot was wonderful. Exactly the sort of thing I like about this show. I don't think that the episode was padded out as much as you do. I felt that the content was about right, the pace just right, the balance between character and crime solving was about right, and I felt that it fulfilled delivering much of what some felt was lacking in the previous two episodes. As I say I do agree with one or two criticisms, but on the whole I'm very happy with the episode. |
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I had quite high hopes for it too. Unfortunately the mystery/case never really got going, IMO. It was on for one-and-a-half hours and what really happened? We were introduced to Magnusson blackmailing Lindsay Duncan. We found out Mary had a dark past. Mary shot Sherlock. Watson forgave Mary. Uh...Sherlock shot Magnusson and Moriarty's face was shown at the end. It was all just 'meh'. I didn't care about any of it. For example, when Sherlock confronts Mary in Magnusson's office I was hoping for a great scene between the two of them. Instead she shoots him and then we're subjected to an almost endless, fatuous sequence of Sherlock trying 'reason' his way into surviving. The ending was equally trite. In a move that reminded me of the simplistic 'off switch' in episode one, Sherlock decides to 'solve' the case by shooting Magnusson dead. Big deal. It rarely felt like the stakes were high or that anyone was really in any danger or jeopardy.
I'm glad people have enjoyed this series but I know I haven't, and people I know haven't enjoyed it either for similar reasons. The problem with these 3 episode stints and leaving cliffhangers makes it more difficult to have any standalone detection episode. Id fancy when Jonathan Creek comes back for its three episode stint again, it will get into the tried and tested format much quicker, rightly or wrongly. |
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Which means you don't know the answers.
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Oh that's alright then.
![]() EDIT - Just checked. They did say every screen in the country. I'll let you off.
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Has Sherlock jumped the shark? Absolutely. Will I watch season four? Oh god yes.
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Hmm... Haven't been impressed by the last 3 episodes.
Not a patch on seasons 1 and 2 IMHO. |
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I should have expected Moriarty to return. I believe he is back properly. However it could just be for the next series only and the last episode would be based on the valley of fear or they could just use its name and write a different story
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just out of interest, does that end bit mean that Sherlock didn't dismantle Moraity's network as said in episode 1?
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Just London wide wasn't it?
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What were the questions?
Well more easily explained at least. Plus, you know, accurate criticism and all that. Plus I was asking. It might have been nationwide I suppose. EDIT - Just checked. They did say every screen in the country. I'll let you off. ![]() |
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We all agree that:
Season 2 > Season 1 > Season 3? Season 3 > Better than most other TV?
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There's the rub. Baggage much?
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Trying to link the story with reality (easier to do than with Doctor Who) - Magnusson wouldn't really be that powerful even with his colossal memory.
It would have been easy to charge him with a number of blackmails. Would he really have knowledge of sufficient secrets to hinder justice? Blackmail every judge in the land? It's unlikely. However let's go with the idea that the whole of British authority is undermined by secrets galore and Magnusson could never be convicted of his crimes. The only logical step (once the true nature of his archive was known) was to kill him. So in this TV world Sherlock did the right thing. Although any of Mycroft's stooges could just as easily have pulled the trigger once Mycroft was told about Magnusson's mental powers. |
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We all agree that:
Season 2 > Season 1 > Season 3? Season 3 > Better than most other TV? ![]() "Sherlock..its better than Atlantis " |
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The critical response has been bizarre, not because it's been largely positive but because the praise has been so completely uncritical. As you say, the same basic story transferred into another series wouldn't have received anywhere near the same praise as it was neither interesting enough or original enough. For example, the moral dubiousness of Sherlock executing Magnusson to protect Watson's cosy family life isn't even mentioned.
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You could write the Beeb blurb for the next series :
"Sherlock..its better than Atlantis " lol
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