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thanks Alexi....not sure but Mary's pregnancy looked a good 6 or 7 months on at christmas
And Sherlock has recovered, so four to six months? |
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It's not a case of 'why bother do anything else', it's that it was the ONLY way to stop Magnusson, once it was confirmed that he HAD the information and would use it to damage John, and that it was stored in his head.
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I thought he did find him particularly repulsive? Wasn't there a speech(also in the trailer) indicating what a particularly (over and above the usual) evil nasty bastard he was?
I think it was all well signposted that Magnusson would have to die, and Sherlock's actions were completely in character. I'm glad that it was Sherlock who killed him, as it allows Mary to have her fresh start. Had she been successful with her original plan, her whole new life as Mrs Watson would be flawed. And we'll have to agree to disagree whether it's in character for Holmes to cold bloodedly execute a blackmailer. |
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So the comfort of Watson's family life was worth a man's life. I don't buy it personally. For me the stake wasn't big enough to justify the cost.
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Whilst then he may have affection for John and kill Magnusson he certainly wouldn't have found Magnusson repulsive..
Or words to that effect anyway. |
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My point was, why would a sociopath find him repulsive.
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So the comfort of Watson's family life was worth a man's life. I don't buy it personally. For me the stake wasn't big enough to justify the cost.
I too don't buy it..Holmes could have told Magnusson that if Mary dies he dies. |
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So the comfort of Watson's family life was worth a man's life. I don't buy it personally. For me the stake wasn't big enough to justify the cost.
Seems big enough for me. Especially when you factor in Sherlock's personal hatred of Magnusson, and how brilliantly and disgustingly he was played - especially that bit where he demonstrated his power by flicking John's face. I think it worked fine. |
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Yes, is that why Sherlock allowed Magnusson to 'flick' John in that incredibly demeaning and arrogant way?
To allow himself to work himself up, to pysch himself up, to shoot Magnusson. That one small incident with John truly showed what sort of person Magnusson was |
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And what about all the other lives Magnusson had ruined?
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And what about all the other lives Magnusson had ruined?
This was implied by his damning and emphatic speech to Watson about magnusson. Sherlock was also so compliant and repsectful, even when Magnusson was pissing into his fire-grate, it suggested he was frightened of him. |
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Is that why Sherlock allowed Magnusson to 'flick' John in that incredibly demeaning and arrogant way?
To allow himself to work himself up, to pysch himself up, to shoot Magnusson. That one small incident with John truly showed what sort of person Magnusson was |
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Yes he's a thoroughly bad sort..let's kill him.
And as far as threatening Mary, he already knows what she's capable off and was cowering before her in his apartment. Why the hell would he think she wouldn't come after him again. Sherlock could have said, one peep and we let Mary loose again |
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Firstly the stake was not only John, but it was hinted that it was Mycroft as well - and of course the lady at the beginning said that everyone was scared of him and there was an ongoing enquiry about Magnussons influence on the Government.
Seems big enough for me. Especially when you factor in Sherlock's personal hatred of Magnusson, and how brilliantly and disgustingly he was played - especially that bit where he demonstrated his power by flicking John's face. I think it worked fine. |
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Yes he's a thoroughly bad sort..let's kill him.
But, yep, thoroughly bad sort. |
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Agree with aggs and Welsh Lad. We know one man committed suicide because of him, we know Sherlock found him uniquely repulsive and hateful before he even knew about Mary and the hold he had over her. Its not a stretch at all to me that he would have killed him.
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I'm not worried about it at all. As a poster further upthread said, even POIROT killed a manipulator, because the damage some cause is untenable. In cold blood as well.
I agree with this. I also think that it had to be done, there was no other way, and I can easily swallow that Magnusson didn't see Sherlock as a killer, but as a mental genius as he was himself, and because of his arrogance, he couldn't resist 'showing off', to Sherlock, and couldnt BELIEVE that he was wrong about what Sherlock was prepared to do. Quote:
Yes, I agree that in the short stories Sherlock often takes the course of justice over the course of the law: "I am not retained by the police to supply their deficiencies".
Two instances spring to mind from the wonderful ITV series: in The Blue Carbuncle when Sherlock lets the snivelling thief off the hook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAcQQefQeDY (from 50.00 onwards) and The Devil's Foot when Sherlock let's the murderer go free: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4s3tbzL9UA (from 49.00 onwards) Both examples beautifully played by Jeremy Brett. Watson is so often the voice of law and order. Holmes the voice of instinct and natural justice. Ah yes thanks for the reminders. I was trying to think of some other examples of Holmes' natural justice. |
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Magnusson was never presented as being 'evil' enough to warrant his execution.
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Well, if he could have been stopped in any other way...
But, yep, thoroughly bad sort. It's only John being there that stopped her. |
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Yes he's a thoroughly bad sort..let's kill him.
Actually, are we sure Magnussen's dead? Given all the earlier talk about how Mary knew exactly where to put the bullet to not kill Sherlock, would Sherlock have the same skill? Not that attempted murder would be that less serious a charge but... |
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Very very poor season. I now need to go and watch some Jeremy Brett episodes to remember how Sherlock should be acted and written. I'm not sure how it's even possible to make a bad Sherlock story but the BBC have done 3 in a row
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Just tell him you'll send Mary after him...he was pishing himself the first time she did.
It's only John being there that stopped her. But we can't have it all, and I've got no problem with Sherlock doing the deed.
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In fact the more I think of it the idea of CAM blackmailing an assassin the more silly it is.
"John, CAM is blackmailing me, can I kill him" "Go on then, but it's the last one " |
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1. Sherlock did not take the view that Mary attempted to kill Janine. Janine was knocked out by an experienced killer who, if she wanted to kill Janine, would have done so.
2. Janine was not shot. She was a person knocked out, rendered unconscious, made supine, given the gift of a dream, coldc-ahem-ked, stunned, micky finned without a drink, having an enforced forty winks, daydreaming with prejudice, being helped to deep trance. She was not anywhere to being an Ex-Person. So, she woke up with little or no damage. (Pretty sure she would otherwise have sold her concussion to the newspapers too.) |
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I didn't know about this series.. When first watching the first episode I really enjoyed it!
But as the episodes progressed it came to self aware to me.. more so than usual!! Like Moffatt was even more aware of the shows "star power" It got to the point where I half expected Moffatt to have Martin reading The Hobbit in one scene just to get the point across!! The only really great things about this series was Episode 1, the best in my opinion, and more Molly and Mycroft! I just love how Gatiss plays him! |
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