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Is that Elementary series any good?
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Umm, Sherlock thought he did too.It wouldn't have made as interesting a storyline if everyone thought for certain all along that there were no vaults.
When Sherlock and Watson arrived CAM was essentially showing off that his own mind is better than Sherlock's and how he will always have control over whether Mary lives or dies. Once he had proof that there was no other records, and that CAM would never hand over everything concerning Mary (because he couldn't as it was inside his head), but that he could use the information whenever he wanted, then the only way Sherlock could destroy the information (and so keep his last vow to look after John and Mary), would be to destroy CAM. |
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Okay, that was a great finale but not without it's faults and the obvious one being CAM himself.
The actor did well in making him creepy and repellent but he lacked the presence in the series like Moriarty did and was killed off so briskly, it was hard to give a toss about it. It also didn't help that Moriarty was brought back as well too. I hope Moffat and company know what they're doing there, much as I love seeing Andrew Scott on the show. Glad to see that Mary will remain on the show too. Nice that we learned some of her story without knowing all of it as well. Great moments with characters like Billy and Janine and the Holmes parents as well as choice scenes with Sherlock/Mycroft and Watson/Mary too. Can't wait to see what the next run of episode will deliver, 8/10 |
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ok , I still don't understand why Mary shot Sherlock .
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That is my problem. IMO many series which start out brilliantly and are highly praised (rightly so) become a sort of game for the writers... they try harder and harder to entertain themselves with plot twists and character development that they lose sight of the entertainment of the viewers.
Sherlock started out as a exceptionally intelligent crime and problem solver - he has now turned into a criminal himself. I don't know, maybe it is because I am getting older. I want to be entertained not spend hours wondering what the hell had just gone one - I love Sherlock and John Watson but I like them solving crimes that don't require a degree in psychology and philosophy to understand. |
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I think it was A. G. R. A.
And speaking of nepotism, Moffat casting his own son as young Sherlock was too much. He didn't even have a resemblance to BC. I'm sure they could have found a more appropriate child actor, instead of literally keeping it in the family. In the last few years I've tended to feel that Moffat makes his episodes for himself, rather than for the audience. Doctor Who has mostly become a pile of self-congratulatory wank, and I don't want Sherlock to follow suit. |
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ok , I still don't understand why Mary shot Sherlock .
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Or, Sherlock was pretending that he thought it was the glasses in order that CAM would be lulled into a false sense of security - thinking he was vastly superior to Sherlock, thus letting down his guard by letting Sherlock visit his lair. (In his earlier explanation of the fall, to Anderson, Sherlock explained that he had pretended to Moriarty that he knew less than he really did, so it's not a new tactic).
When Sherlock and Watson arrived CAM was essentially showing off that his own mind is better than Sherlock's and how he will always have control over whether Mary lives or dies. Once he had proof that there was no other records, and that CAM would never hand over everything concerning Mary (because he couldn't as it was inside his head), but that he could use the information whenever he wanted, then the only way Sherlock could destroy the information (and so keep his last vow to look after John and Mary), would be to destroy CAM. |
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Even more of a reason to take him out if they thought there were actual vaults. Kill off Magnuson, government seizes the vaults. Job done.
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"Yes Sherlocks clever way of sorting out the Magnusson threat was to kill him..something Mary attempted an hour ago but what makes it different for Sherlock is....OH LOOK ITS MORIARTY !!!"
Physically killing Magnuson would have been fairly easy, especially for someone like Mary, and especially if you didn't care about collateral damage. If it had been thought a viable solution, someone like Mycroft would have arranged it long ago. It's not clear what Mary's plan was, but it can't have been simple murder. Quote:
Magnusson was never presented as being 'evil' enough to warrant his execution.
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So the comfort of Watson's family life was worth a man's life. I don't buy it personally. For me the stake wasn't big enough to justify the cost.
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Seeing as they didn't show us how Sherlock survived then it wouldn't surprise me if they won't show how Moriarty survived.
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Moffat loves to kill main characters ... and then reveal it was a all a fake , he did it loads on DW and he's done it several times here .
which is why I never believed Moriarty was dead . |
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ok , I still don't understand why Mary shot Sherlock .
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I know this is simplistic, but could it be based on the actress's real name, Amanda (G R) Abbington?
And speaking of nepotism, Moffat casting his own son as young Sherlock was too much. He didn't even have a resemblance to BC. I'm sure they could have found a more appropriate child actor, instead of literally keeping it in the family. In the last few years I've tended to feel that Moffat makes his episodes for himself, rather than for the audience. Doctor Who has mostly become a pile of self-congratulatory wank, and I don't want Sherlock to follow suit. |
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ok , amongst many unbelievable plot lines the most unbelievable has to be Sherlock giving Janine the elbow , that girl is super-hot , he must be gay or completely uninterested in sex !
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Best bit of this series was "miss me" totally awesome im so frigging happy
don't care how they do it, just bring back Jim
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To stop him talking. She was trying to keep her involvement secret from Watson. Shooting Sherlock in the leg wouldn't have achieved that. Her options were limited by having to deal with Magnuson at the same time.
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Best bit of this series was "miss me" totally awesome im so frigging happy
don't care how they do it, just bring back Jim ![]() |
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does anyone have a link to the Q&A that moffatt and Gatiss did last night ?
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I know a lot of people feel that the character development in this series has taken the main focus from their investigations like in the previous series but I have really loved every episode.
Last season I loved A Scandal in Belgravia, amazing episode, but the following two episodes I didn't think lived up to the first. I've enjoyed this series so much I've seen episode 1 four times, 2 three times and so far I've watched the 3rd twice. That for me is unheard of because it's usually months before I re-watch programs. But on a 2nd/3rd viewing I enjoy the fact I pick up on different things each time that I missed previously. |
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does anyone have a link to the Q&A that moffatt and Gatiss did last night ?
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ok , amongst many unbelievable plot lines the most unbelievable has to be Sherlock giving Janine the elbow , that girl is super-hot , he must be gay or completely uninterested in sex !
The was playing a part of someone in love with her. Sherlock is a good actor so able to convincingly play a part. Of course, he didn't "follow through", hence the reference to waiting until they were married. |
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But the very point was that the facts he acquired were true that made the difference. Look at Lady Smallwood - she knew all about her husband's affair with the 15 year old girl. She knew that letters had at some point existed, and she believed he had them in his possession. If it were revealed, he would end up disgraced and in prison potentially.
Look at this from the perspective of him threatening to make something like that up - if you didn't believe him to have substantial evidence, then it be far less threatening. Libel laws place the burden of proof upon the libeller - but since they believe him to have the evidence in his possession, it would be brave of them to go against it. If he made it up, he'd need to fabricate evidence to defend his allegations in court. The problem lies with the fact that Magnussen appeared to have seen the documents at some point and memorised them - so where are they now? He knew Lord Smallwood's secret and how to manipulate that to get what he wanted. He let them think there was a chance of getting the letters and photographs back (and there was a photo at some point - he was seen holding it) and so showing Sherlock a bundle of letters implies that there is still something to hand back. Lord Smallwood seemed to think what he had was real and credible enough - he committed suicide. |
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Maybe I missed a line, but surely the whole premise of Magnusson's blackmail was flawed, in that it's not enough to know, or claim to know, someone's secret, you actually have to have proof for blackmail to be as effective as we were supposed to believe it was for Magnussuon, and I don't recall it being made clear that Magnusson actually did have proof? This point was made by Sherlock, so was it established that he did, just not at his home/ office, or was he always bluffing, on the assumption that his victims didn't want to take the risk?
![]() WTF was the whole 'Google Glass' thing about?! Obviously we the viewer were meant to believe that's what he was using to recall facts, but why did Sherlock believe he was using it? As we learned later, it was a just a visual representation of his memory recall technique (cheap trick; why make it look like a computer read-out if it was nothing of the sort?), but what did Sherlock think Magnusson's 'special ability' was that led him to believe he must be using some sort gadget? I don't recall any scene where Sherlock was amazed at Magnusson's ability to recall facts and figures - and even if he was, if Sherlock can do it, why wouldn't he think someone else could use the same technique? - so what did he think the glasses were for? ![]() |
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Lord Smallwood seemed to think what he had was real and credible enough - he committed suicide.
Which made Magnusson's reveal to Sherlock utterly idiotic unless he intended to kill Holmes and Watson.
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to stop him talking ? do you mean she meant to kill him ?
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Re bib. As I understood it, as he was a powerful newspaper magnate, he could print whatever he wanted, and people would believe him. He didn't have to prove anything.
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This^^^^^
The was playing a part of someone in love with her. Sherlock is a good actor so able to convincingly play a part. Of course, he didn't "follow through", hence the reference to waiting until they were married.
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