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Old 09-01-2014, 15:34
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I think it's a shame to want or need to be spoon fed absolutes by a storyteller. I'm fine with how it's been left. I really don't care any more about the issue.
Good for you!

Some of us do care, though.
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Old 09-01-2014, 15:41
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I'm not sure I believe the writers...the most recent articles suggest we're getting a series 4 and 5...what if it's just a big rouse, and Sherlock's killed off?!
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Old 09-01-2014, 15:48
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Been enjoying this series, usually the second episode is the weaker but this time it was great.

My guess is mary will whip off a mask to reveal moriarty (names are similar, y'see), and the fall was done with mirrors.

It's always mirrors. Sometimes smoke too.
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Old 09-01-2014, 15:50
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Been enjoying this series, usually the second episode is the weaker but this time it was great.

My guess is mary will whip off a mask to reveal moriarty (names are similar, y'see), and the fall was done with mirrors.

It's always mirrors. Sometimes smoke too.
She'd have had to whip off a lot else, otherwise John would definitely have noticed
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Old 09-01-2014, 15:57
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Sherlock has to have done some research on the background of Mary as he has done for others, so surely Sherlock must know what is going on.


Was that Sherlock's Gammon with pineapple, egg and chips?
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Old 09-01-2014, 15:57
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Isn't John gay?
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:10
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My combining theory for the final episode:

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Very good.
A very plausible tidy theory which works.
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:16
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I think it's a shame to want or need to be spoon fed absolutes by a storyteller. I'm fine with how it's been left. I really don't care any more about the issue.
It's a cliffhanger for crying out loud.
It feeds you nothing.
To be given the resolution later on isn't spoon-feeding the viewer, it's delivering the payoff.

You'd believe that the resolution of a story is spoon-feeding the reader or viewer would you?
As far as I was aware good stories have a beginning, a middle, and an end.

So if in the third episode Moffat ties up a lot of loose ends and delivers a satisfying resolution to the story he will be sponfeeding the viewers will he?
What a shame if viewers are happy if he does that.
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:18
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Here's some more observation on TSOT.

A possible clue that Sherlock knows more in advance than he's telling:
-when Sherlock is about to dress for the wedding, he says to himself : 'into battle'. 1st view, i associated this to his reluctance to socialise with people. Perhaps it referred to something else he was expecting later.

Something not part of a big plot but still unexplained:
-When they went to meet the guardsman, Sherlock couldn't wait, so he managed to enter the guards quarters by 'stealing' a furry black hat. First where did he get that hat, and it can't be that easy to enter this place even if you have the right hat.

A scientific question:
-Tom's theory about the guardsman wound; could you freeze blood to a solid enough state to kill someone? I think if you had a bucket of liquid carbon dioxide right beside you, yes, but how long would it last?
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:19
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Sherlock dropped a glass of champagne, was it accidently or on purpose?
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:24
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Something not part of a big plot but still unexplained:
-When they went to meet the guardsman, Sherlock couldn't wait, so he managed to enter the guards quarters by 'stealing' a furry black hat. First where did he get that hat, and it can't be that easy to enter this place even if you have the right hat.
I wondered exactly that too - especially when he took the hat off and just left it there.
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:24
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Originally Posted by marsch_labb
Something not part of a big plot but still unexplained:
-When they went to meet the guardsman, Sherlock couldn't wait, so he managed to enter the guards quarters by 'stealing' a furry black hat. First where did he get that hat, and it can't be that easy to enter this place even if you have the right hat.
There were flowers on the hat, women wear hats with flowers at weddings too.
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:30
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Is everyone else also convinced Mary will be bumped off? I can't see her surviving.

Just my own opinion of this series which seems to have attracted some critics:

Has it been as enjoyable as 1 & 2 so far? Not in my opinion. Has it still been enjoyable? Absolutely.

I have no doubt episode 3 will be the best of the lot & may even be better than the previous 2 series finales, it may just be the best episode yet out of all 9!

Just a shame that in the space of 10 days it will all be over
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:42
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At the end of ASiB Mycroft tells Watson that Sherlock wanted to be a pirate when he was a child. So maybe "Redbeard" was Mycroft's way of telling Sherlock he was trying to be something he could never be. Or maybe Mycroft was testing to see if Sherlock really is Sherlock. Or maybe its some kind of reference to Irene Adler, (ie, Mycroft's discovered that she's still alive).

Or more likely, none of the above.
Ah thanks for that, yes it makes sense now. It was bugging me because I didn't have a clue what he was on about, and I am very deliberately not looking for plot revelations online, there's far too many people out there who have seen the preview.

I am ridiculously looking forward to the third episode!
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Old 09-01-2014, 16:53
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Is everyone else also convinced Mary will be bumped off? I can't see her surviving.
Neither can I. Someone significant is about to die, it can't be Holmes, it can't be Watson, and in the light of there being two more series ahead of us, I seriously can't see Mycroft being killed off either.

The original Mary dies of course, but her death was never explained in detail (some mystery illness if my memory serves me right?) so that's any writer's dream, they can tackle this story line however they see fit.

Edit: Oh damn - Lestrade. It could be Lestrade. They've just shown us how much trust he has in Holmes, and that would explain the need for the mini-story about the robbers...I hope I'm wrong.
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Old 09-01-2014, 17:13
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Neither can I. Someone significant is about to die, it can't be Holmes, it can't be Watson, and in the light of there being two more series ahead of us, I seriously can't see Mycroft being killed off either.

The original Mary dies of course, but her death was never explained in detail (some mystery illness if my memory serves me right?) so that's any writer's dream, they can tackle this story line however they see fit.
Considering they already killed Sherlock before, they can kill anyone. Yes Sherlock's death was in the original but considering the liberty they take, i wouldn't put it past them.
I too think someone is gonna die.
But just to be ironic and teasing, i hope we will come up with a better prediction than 'someone is gonna die in a detective-mystery show'
Some very good theories and observations so far, let's keep it up.
How many hours have you scheduled on sunday for the show and the forum after? ...all night!
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Old 09-01-2014, 17:18
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Considering they already killed Sherlock before, they can kill anyone. Yes Sherlock's death was in the original but considering the liberty they take, i wouldn't put it past them.
I too think someone is gonna die.
But just to be ironic and teasing, i hope we will come up with a better prediction than 'someone is gonna die in a detective-mystery show'
Some very good theories and observations so far, let's keep it up.
How many hours have you scheduled on sunday for the show and the forum after? ...all night!
Apologies - I edited my post before I saw yours, what do you think?

As for Sunday, my phone is on voice mail
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Old 09-01-2014, 17:30
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Neither can I. Someone significant is about to die, it can't be Holmes, it can't be Watson, and in the light of there being two more series ahead of us, I seriously can't see Mycroft being killed off either.

The original Mary dies of course, but her death was never explained in detail (some mystery illness if my memory serves me right?) so that's any writer's dream, they can tackle this story line however they see fit.

Edit: Oh damn - Lestrade. It could be Lestrade. They've just shown us how much trust he has in Holmes, and that would explain the need for the mini-story about the robbers...I hope I'm wrong.
If I was to make a completely baseless theory I'd imagine that she may sacrifice herself in order to save the life of John or Sherlock.

But it's a fair point that it may be Lestraud, because I notice that they've introduced an assistant for him. Which may be intended as his replacement.
Or maybe she will be used as a sidekick for Lestraud in the future because it's been a tradition on British television for the lead detective to have a sidekick to bounce off.

But I think it's worth noticing that the show is getting a bit cast heavy. So something may have to go.
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Old 09-01-2014, 17:39
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If I was to make a completely baseless theory I'd imagine that she may sacrifice herself in order to save the life of John or Sherlock.
Not that baseless at all, if you consider the way Holmes almost spits out the word "poppet" (puppet) in his speech.
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Old 09-01-2014, 17:45
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Apologies - I edited my post before I saw yours, what do you think?

As for Sunday, my phone is on voice mail
About Lestrade being the one to die? Quit possible. I've written (yesterday, post 96) :
There's been a lot of talk about someone dying in next episode: perhaps it's Lestrade. And that scene was just there to reintroduce his assistant who would become the boss after his death. That would change the dynamic a lot as we know she doesn't like Sherlock.

Now i think that scene was there for also other reasons. More about this later.
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Old 09-01-2014, 17:48
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Did Sherlock and Mary sort out the flower arrangements properly because some of the people at the wedding had flower button holes and some didn't?
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Old 09-01-2014, 18:01
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I DON'T WANT TO LOSE LESTRADE. Fancy him majorly.
Should we be putting theorising in spoiler tags btw?
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Old 09-01-2014, 18:05
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I DON'T WANT TO LOSE LESTRADE. Fancy him majorly.
Should we be putting theorising in spoiler tags btw?

Me neither.

I don't suppose theorising needs to be in spoiler tags - it's not giving away the plot, is it? Just guesswork, and all part of the fun and anticipation
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Old 09-01-2014, 18:11
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About the robberies of the Waters gang.
Didn't find any real clues but perhaps someone else will. Just perhaps that the journalist thought that Lestrade had almost lost his job.
6 months one very blury, barely readable on the HD version, best i can do.
Checked the names of the writers, just the first one who turned up something that could be far away related but i doubt it.
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Old 09-01-2014, 18:23
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I think it's a shame to want or need to be spoon fed absolutes by a storyteller. I'm fine with how it's been left. I really don't care any more about the issue.
which is ... what ?


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