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Old 15-01-2014, 23:37
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I think I may be on to something here though. There's really no need for that scene at the end of Hounds of Baskerville at all, its comletely superfluous because we never even saw Moriarty being arrested. Last time we saw him he was wandering round in front of Big Ben merrily taunting Mycroft by text message. So why the need to show us Moriarty being released from a cell at the end of an episode about government mind control experiments which drive people mad?
BIB - that just made me laugh - I'd forgotten all about that! Merrily indeed

Damn you all on this thread. I just want to watch the whole series again now.
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Old 15-01-2014, 23:40
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Maybe the Moriarty that killed himself is a clone, or the new one is a clone. In the hounds of Baskerville episode Stapleton said that human cloning had been done.
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Old 15-01-2014, 23:41
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I think I may be on to something here though. There's really no need for that scene at the end of Hounds of Baskerville at all, its comletely superfluous because we never even saw Moriarty being arrested. Last time we saw him he was wandering round in front of Big Ben merrily taunting Mycroft by text message. So why the need to show us Moriarty being released from a cell at the end of an episode about government mind control experiments which drive people mad?
It could be as simple as setting up the next episode. But yeah, how was he arrested?

If he's dead and it becomes relevant later, it would be an excellent exmple of how you can sign an actor for a character that's dead and then use flashbacks to explain something.

Not sure if Moriarty has a link with Baskerville but i'd like to know more about is arrest prior to that scene.

We could have a whole new thread on what we'd like to see !
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Old 15-01-2014, 23:44
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Maybe the Moriarty that killed himself is a clone, or the new one is a clone. In the hounds of Baskerville episode Stapleton said that human cloning had been done.
Here we go into the realm of sci-fi, but i like that thought.
And the producers have established that Sherlock has become a bit more fantasy with that glowing matchbox!
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Old 15-01-2014, 23:59
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Ah come on let's have Moriarty back. He is after all Holmes's ultimate nemesis, and he's just such great fun

I'm in two minds about this.
Because, like other posters have said, you can't just keep bringing people back from the dead, because it could lessen the danger and drama in the show.
If a character is killed or is in jeopardy, people will just say, "Who cares, they'll probably just come back to life in a few episodes anyway".

Yet I still really want see Moriarty again, because the character and the actor who plays him are awesome.

So I hope they can somehow bring him back for another mystery, yet still keep him dead.

That's why I like the idea of a crime that he arranged before he shot himself.
Which can be told using flashbacks, and more footage from the 'miss me' video that he filmed in advance, before he died.
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Old 16-01-2014, 00:17
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Another theory is that Moriarty knew he would die on the roof that day.
So he arranged to commit one last crime from beyond the grave - and he filmed himself for it in advance.
I like that idea too.
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Old 16-01-2014, 00:20
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It could be as simple as setting up the next episode. But yeah, how was he arrested?

If he's dead and it becomes relevant later, it would be an excellent exmple of how you can sign an actor for a character that's dead and then use flashbacks to explain something.

Not sure if Moriarty has a link with Baskerville but i'd like to know more about is arrest prior to that scene.

We could have a whole new thread on what we'd like to see !
I suspect that would turn pornographic.
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Old 16-01-2014, 00:26
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I suspect that would turn pornographic.
No...not Mrs.Hudson has an exotic dancer
That would be one hell of a flashback!
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Old 16-01-2014, 00:47
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Janine is a tough cookie, if anything it looked like she was fooling Sherlock and Sherlock was fooling Janine. At the wedding she even said he would be useful.
She said in the episode that the kiss and tell stories were revenge.
So it's quite plausible that she may have actually felt a lot for him and genuinely wanted to exact revenge.
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Old 16-01-2014, 00:57
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About the key.
There was only two versions of it. The one in the fire is the only one different then the others.
If they had to redo the scene and the original prop was burned, the logical response would have been 'we simply won't do a close-up because people will spot that'.
Possibly what gomezz suggested that it was the other side of the stick; if it's an enormous prop mistake, that's probably the excuse they're gonna use.

IMO there's only three options:
-it's an enormous and imbecile prop mistake
-it's the other side of the stick in the fire
-Watson switched and it's going to have repercussions later
Whatever it was, and whether it was a continuity mistake or not, the writers have left it open for themselves to decide what it is later on in retrospect.
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Old 16-01-2014, 01:15
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Originally Posted by Enfant Terrible
Ah come on let's have Moriarty back. He is after all Holmes's ultimate nemesis, and he's just such great fun
He was great fun, and very cute too. Its a bit disturbing to have a fanciable Moriarty, but Andrew Scott has eyes like a Disney animal.

I've given up trying to puzzle out what happened to the who with the what, so I'll just post this entertaining little thing I found on You Tube instead...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQ9wQXoWDY
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Old 16-01-2014, 01:31
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The way to pushish him would be to kidnap him and perform a lobotomy. A man with so much info in his head and not being able to use it.
I also thought of some kind of brain operation, that would wipe out Magnussen's memory - therefore destroying his mind palace.

It might have been better than making Sherlock a murderer.
Although, I'm not sure such an operation exists.
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Old 16-01-2014, 07:49
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Didn't Moriarty have a brother? Maybe in this version the brother is an identical twin?
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Old 16-01-2014, 08:27
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I also thought of some kind of brain operation, that would wipe out Magnussen's memory - therefore destroying his mind palace.
It might have been better than making Sherlock a murderer.
Although, I'm not sure such an operation exists.
Maybe Sherlock is such an expert with the gun that he was able to perform an intricate memory whipping procedure with the bullet leaving the guy alive but palace-less.
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Old 16-01-2014, 08:39
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I thought Moriarty's brother might be an identical twin too. The twin was the one on the roof...Although I don't find double faked death as implausible as you might think.If Moriarty and Sherlock are intellectual equals and Sherlock had thought of every possibility including one where he might die. It is not entirely implausible that Moriarty would have done the same...Not forgetting it was Moriarty who'd chosen the roof top as their meeting point so he'd have likely thought everything through also.
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Old 16-01-2014, 09:10
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Here we go into the realm of sci-fi, but i like that thought.
It occurred to me that the producers may be 'borrowing' from the fantastic novel Daemon by Daniel Suarez. In that, there is a Steve Jobs like character who dies right at the start, setting in motion a whole series of events which he has pre-programmed. Principally the actions and reactions of a daemon (computer term, nothing to do with the supernatural), that instigates massive change and basically runs the lives of those in its (real life) game.
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Old 16-01-2014, 09:44
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It occurred to me that the producers may be 'borrowing' from the fantastic novel Daemon by Daniel Suarez. In that, there is a Steve Jobs like character who dies right at the start, setting in motion a whole series of events which he has pre-programmed. Principally the actions and reactions of a daemon (computer term, nothing to do with the supernatural), that instigates massive change and basically runs the lives of those in its (real life) game.
One of my favourite books, wish he'd continue that series!
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Old 16-01-2014, 11:14
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Janine is a tough cookie, if anything it looked like she was fooling Sherlock and Sherlock was fooling Janine. At the wedding she even said he would be useful.
could Janine and Moriarty be related?
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Old 16-01-2014, 12:02
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I also thought of some kind of brain operation, that would wipe out Magnussen's memory - therefore destroying his mind palace.

It might have been better than making Sherlock a murderer.
Although, I'm not sure such an operation exists.
You could hypnotise him, drug him, or give him brain damage, but these options would probably seem more sinister than just shooting him.
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Old 16-01-2014, 12:14
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Even if the different memory sticks are a continuity error there is nothing stopping them writing this in to the story in the future. It's what I'd do and nobody would be the wiser.
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Old 16-01-2014, 13:02
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could Janine and Moriarty be related?
The Irish connection. I'm sure she was telling him something about the bees as well but I haven't decided what yet.
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Old 16-01-2014, 13:14
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Hi everyone

Do you think that Sherlock would go to great lengths to save his parents if they were in danger? I would like to think so but he drugged his own parents!! How disrespectful was that and his parents were not listed as his pressure points but Watson was and contrary to some posts here I actually like the wedding episode where he was best man as I thought showing his human side to Watson was endearing.Loving seeing his human side. I think is actually quite exciting. However I would like to think he loves his parents too just that he's not the type to show how much he loves Mummy and Dad and it might take them being in danger to bring that side of him out.What does everyone else think?
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Old 16-01-2014, 14:00
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The Irish connection. I'm sure she was telling him something about the bees as well but I haven't decided what yet.
Bees?
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Old 16-01-2014, 14:02
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Hi everyone

Do you think that Sherlock would go to great lengths to save his parents if they were in danger? I would like to think so but he drugged his own parents!! How disrespectful was that and his parents were not listed as his pressure points but Watson was and contrary to some posts here I actually like the wedding episode where he was best man as I thought showing his human side to Watson was endearing.Loving seeing his human side. I think is actually quite exciting. However I would like to think he loves his parents too just that he's not the type to show how much he loves Mummy and Dad and it might take them being in danger to bring that side of him out.What does everyone else think?
You bring up a good point. Watson is Sherlock's pressure point,...but his own parents aren't?
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Old 16-01-2014, 14:49
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You bring up a good point. Watson is Sherlock's pressure point,...but his own parents aren't?
Exactly! Except if of course their been in danger in future where they are perhaps held kidnapped might reveal them as his pressure point too.He's such a sociopath he might care for them more than he realises and it might take them being in danger for him to realise that.
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