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Old 16-01-2014, 21:44
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Well I'm really curious about the other Holmes brother, I read speculation that in the original stories Moriaty is a maths genius like in this series sherlocks mum is, so therefore Jim could be a secret love child /brother
It's mad speculation but interesting
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Old 16-01-2014, 21:45
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Well I posted that earlier and I don't think it's too far fetched.
No - I don't think it is.
I had some thoughts on what may have happened that probably are far fetched though!
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Old 16-01-2014, 21:48
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I know it was a bit stupid of magnissun to confess to his part in the bonfire kidnap because he still could have been charged with attempted murder but perhaps his leverage over Mary and spilling her secrets would have been enough to stop sherlock and John for reporting that crime at the point he reveals his part he already owns them.
I still don't believe he was a murderer his power was acquiring people and owning them not killing them, he said I'm not a murderer unlike Mary, he had no reason to lie to them at that point
I understand that if you haven't actualy commited a murder, you're not technicaly one. But if you do actions that put the live of someone at risk and you get lucky, the person didn't die, IMO it still on the murderer side. But i agree, his main power was not murder.
I agree too that he seemed not to have reasons to lie but that's psychology. And i wouldn't accept his word in any circumstance, knowing what we know now of course.
Anyway, murder or not, it doesn't change the outcome. Just saying that if everything had been known by the authorities, in the real world, he would have been accused of at least attempted murder.
Won't have any consequences on next season, Moffat said he was realy dead. Oh wait...Moffat too tells untruth sometimes...
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Old 16-01-2014, 22:04
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I'm honestly too embarrassed to post it because chances are, I have indeed placed a lot of importance on what was meant to be a trivial remark, and I am in fact becoming a Sherlock geek.
Let's just say, I think the dog might've been killed in an accident that was Sherlock's fault.
What's wrong with that?
No problem admitting that shortly after, during and in the days (perhaps weeks) after a new season, i become slightly obsessed.
I'm a fan of all things Sherlock Holmes anyway, so this show really makes me happy.
But no, i don't wet my panties when i see Benedict
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Old 16-01-2014, 22:27
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Don't know if anyone has seen this article with Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss:

20 Sherlock Series 3 Secrets

1) Sherlock's Fall

Gatiss: The most amazing thing is that reasonable-sounding people have asked, ‘Which of the three theories was the truth?’

Moffat: To which I always reply, ‘The middle one.’ It was an unconvincing dummy with a photograph of Sherlock on the front, and Moriarty and Sherlock eloped. That’s exactly what happened.

Gatiss: I won’t name names, but one of the most extraordinary reviews said that we’d clearly been harvesting theories from online, which we genuinely have not. Obviously you’re aware of them. And part of the reasoning behind making the fake explanation at the beginning as outrageous as possible was precisely that: what could be the most ridiculous explanation? But one very respected reviewer actually said, ‘They’ve even put in the popular online theory about the squash ball.’ It’s like, ‘No, that’s how he did it!’ I was gobsmacked by that.

Moffat: There’s only one way not to die, and that’s to hit something before he hits the pavement. That’s it. There isn’t anything else. He’s got to land, essentially, on a big cushion.

8) THE MARY REVEAL

Gatiss: And the telegram from C.A.M. – there’s a lot of stuff there. It’s nice, isn’t it? No one has actually said, ‘I guessed it. I called it.’

Moffat: But the audience miss it for the same reason that Sherlock Holmes misses it: they like her. And because they like her, emotion does get in the way, it is grit in the instrument, but you don’t want to believe it’s true.


Who are they trying to kid??

And that's as far as I've read so far.
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Old 16-01-2014, 22:44
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Don't know if anyone has seen this article with Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss:

20 Sherlock Series 3 Secrets

1) Sherlock's Fall

Gatiss: The most amazing thing is that reasonable-sounding people have asked, ‘Which of the three theories was the truth?’

Moffat: To which I always reply, ‘The middle one.’ It was an unconvincing dummy with a photograph of Sherlock on the front, and Moriarty and Sherlock eloped. That’s exactly what happened.

Gatiss: I won’t name names, but one of the most extraordinary reviews said that we’d clearly been harvesting theories from online, which we genuinely have not. Obviously you’re aware of them. And part of the reasoning behind making the fake explanation at the beginning as outrageous as possible was precisely that: what could be the most ridiculous explanation? But one very respected reviewer actually said, ‘They’ve even put in the popular online theory about the squash ball.’ It’s like, ‘No, that’s how he did it!’ I was gobsmacked by that.

Moffat: There’s only one way not to die, and that’s to hit something before he hits the pavement. That’s it. There isn’t anything else. He’s got to land, essentially, on a big cushion.

8) THE MARY REVEAL

Gatiss: And the telegram from C.A.M. – there’s a lot of stuff there. It’s nice, isn’t it? No one has actually said, ‘I guessed it. I called it.’

Moffat: But the audience miss it for the same reason that Sherlock Holmes misses it: they like her. And because they like her, emotion does get in the way, it is grit in the instrument, but you don’t want to believe it’s true.

Who are they trying to kid??

And that's as far as I've read so far.
Plenty of people here spotted that!!

And as i said before, no one can make the claim that they've read all that's been written on the net, simply physically impossible. They're on the defensive and perhaps a little in denial that some fans see right through some of their ideas.
Having said that, i feel for them. Impossible to know everything that's said by fans and also can't ignore them. Perhaps it's as they say and they try not to be influenced by the critics. That seems intelligent but at some point, for a show like this, you have to seek the opinion of outside people. But it looks like, if we believe them, they decide everything within a small group.
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Old 16-01-2014, 23:09
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That was very interesting nethwen.
I'll wait for your comments before making more of mine.
Let's just say, if we believe everything they said, it's gonna kill a lot of theories! If we believe everything they said...
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Old 16-01-2014, 23:14
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it kinda reminds me of when Rory was intoduced in DW , everyone seemed to think they should get rid of him asap , but he hung around til the end ! Moffat likes his little families and domestic comedy-drama .
I loved Rory, he's my second favourite companion because he was so normal and lovable

Well I'm really curious about the other Holmes brother, I read speculation that in the original stories Moriaty is a maths genius like in this series sherlocks mum is, so therefore Jim could be a secret love child /brother
It's mad speculation but interesting

Ooh now I quite like that...the link with his mother's job could be an interesting idea...good spot!
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Old 16-01-2014, 23:28
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I'd like to think it'd look a little like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyiDes-ICw
I've just watched that with my mam. Brilliant
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Old 16-01-2014, 23:36
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can someone tell me - what was the point of the Redbeard story ? I've watched the ep twice but somehow seemed to have zoned out in that bit . It was his dog right ? what happened to it ?
'The Redbeard Reveal' given by Moffat and Gatiss:

http://www.empireonline.com/features...-3-secrets/p18
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Old 16-01-2014, 23:40
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Well I'm really curious about the other Holmes brother, I read speculation that in the original stories Moriaty is a maths genius like in this series sherlocks mum is, so therefore Jim could be a secret love child /brother
It's mad speculation but interesting
'The Third Holmes Brother'

http://www.empireonline.com/features...-3-secrets/p16

OK I'll stop now.
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Old 17-01-2014, 00:15
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he'd obviously just sneaked out of the hospital to have some decent food , rather than the NHS slop .
Yes, but in a hospital gown?? With that nice gap at the back that displays your bum so nicely, and towing a morphine pump? I imagine his next stop would be the local psychiatric ward. I agree though, it does seem that it really happened, or the rest of the plot doesn't stack up.
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Old 17-01-2014, 00:43
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Apologies if this has been discussed before (I couldn't be arsed to plough through previous pages) but I couldn't quite work this out on my own. It eventually became clear that Magnussen didn't have magic glasses, but was he seeing stuff through magic contact lenses - or was all that onscreen text merely a representation of his memory or mind palace?
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Old 17-01-2014, 00:52
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That was very interesting nethwen.
I'll wait for your comments before making more of mine.
Let's just say, if we believe everything they said, it's gonna kill a lot of theories! If we believe everything they said...
Thanks marsch_labb.

I'm still feeling quite flat after watching HLV to be honest with you; and I can barely bring myself to say anything about the episode on here for fear that it might all come out in one long whinge.

I feel a bit like a saggy balloon.

However, I can say with conviction that His Last Vow is my most disliked episode out of all the series so far.

I'm still enjoying reading everybody's comments on here, though, so please, go ahead.
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Old 17-01-2014, 01:00
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Apologies if this has been discussed before (I couldn't be arsed to plough through previous pages) but I couldn't quite work this out on my own. It eventually became clear that Magnussen didn't have magic glasses, but was he seeing stuff through magic contact lenses - or was all that onscreen text merely a representation of his memory or mind palace?
I saw it as BIB above. Just like how Sherlock's deductions of characters are portrayed. Only Magnussen's 'mind palace' was much better than Sherlock's (IMHO). He even had files of particular weaknesses in his head.

Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss talk about the development of the mind palace in the 20 secrets link up thread.

I think we were led to believe that Magnussen was wearing something like Google glasses because that's what Sherlock initially believed them to be, even though I don't think everybody did think that.
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Old 17-01-2014, 01:20
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From the interview:
When Moffat said about Magnussen not searching Holmes when he arrived 'it doesn’t occur to him that Sherlock Holmes might just shoot him. He hasn’t factored that in. He doesn’t think people can do that.'
That's a weird comment considering Magnussen just had an attempt on his life from Mary!!

Moffat: I almost forget now that Mrs. Hudson isn’t really a character in Sherlock Holmes at all. I think maybe in The Dying Detective she’s allowed to utter a line — otherwise she doesn’t speak. So Mrs. Hudson is really our creation.' That's utter bs and arrogance. Thank god he also gives thoughtful answers because with answers like that, i understand why some people hate him.

For those interested, there are many more interesting answers in the interview linked by nethwen, so you can have your own opinion.
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Old 17-01-2014, 05:58
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I really hope there's not a third Holmes Brother - I'd be so disappointed if they resorted to that; it'd be like a soap, where the writers seem to produce a long lost, never spoken of, sibling every time they're out of story lines!
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Old 17-01-2014, 06:21
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That "redbeard" comment Mycroft makes = its possible he is warning his brother not to get too attached, reminding him of what happened to Redbeard,his dog.

I like that for an episode title, "The Third Brother"!
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Old 17-01-2014, 07:44
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I was completely overthinking as it turns out - having clicked on the link that nethwen posted, the writers' explanation for what happened to the dog is much more straightforward
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Old 17-01-2014, 09:01
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Sometimes people say they won't post a theory because it is so OTT. Anyhow, for your amusement, or irritation, here is my OH's idea about JW. We both read that Watson may have had as many as 6 wives. It seems to me he had at least 5, so what happened to them as none of them seemed to last long. I suggested to OH that he didn't actually marry any of them. OH said he probably killed them. He gave them something to make them ill and then a quick jab with something lethal. I said that he's a nice ordinary guy so OH said he writes as if he is, but that doesn't mean anything.

This made me think of Mary. Everyone thinks she loves John because she says she does and resorts to desperate measures to hide her past. But suppose she's just using him to get an ordinary life again. After all, anyone can say they love someone, it doesn't mean they actually do and if she's been trained in covert affairs she would have been trained to act out different roles.

This doesn't solve the problem of John leaving her and baby to gad about London risking his life having adventures with Sherlock. The writers have to do something about this because it would just make him look a bit unfeeling. Therefore, if things are to continue with Sherlock and John as they do in canon, something has to be done about Mary and the baby. They will either both have to die or Mary will die and the baby will go to a relative or they will both disappear somewhere. In canon Mary dies, but we have have now drifted away from that universe with the pregnancy.

Personally I don't want to see a Mary, John and Sherlock show, with baby in a crèche or something so I wonder how the writers are going to deal with this problem. Anyone any ideas? Or will we just get Sherlock, Mary and John, which I don't actually want.
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Old 17-01-2014, 09:38
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Sometimes people say they won't post a theory because it is so OTT. Anyhow, for your amusement, or irritation, here is my OH's idea about JW. We both read that Watson may have had as many as 6 wives. It seems to me he had at least 5, so what happened to them as none of them seemed to last long. I suggested to OH that he didn't actually marry any of them. OH said he probably killed them. He gave them something to make them ill and then a quick jab with something lethal. I said that he's a nice ordinary guy so OH said he writes as if he is, but that doesn't mean anything.

This made me think of Mary. Everyone thinks she loves John because she says she does and resorts to desperate measures to hide her past. But suppose she's just using him to get an ordinary life again. After all, anyone can say they love someone, it doesn't mean they actually do and if she's been trained in covert affairs she would have been trained to act out different roles.

This doesn't solve the problem of John leaving her and baby to gad about London risking his life having adventures with Sherlock. The writers have to do something about this because it would just make him look a bit unfeeling. Therefore, if things are to continue with Sherlock and John as they do in canon, something has to be done about Mary and the baby. They will either both have to die or Mary will die and the baby will go to a relative or they will both disappear somewhere. In canon Mary dies, but we have have now drifted away from that universe with the pregnancy.

Personally I don't want to see a Mary, John and Sherlock show, with baby in a crèche or something so I wonder how the writers are going to deal with this problem. Anyone any ideas? Or will we just get Sherlock, Mary and John, which I don't actually want.
This is probably heresy but I think I'd like John to go live his life with Mary and the baby and sherlock to get a new more interesting side kick (John's a bit boring) I don't really like the fact that Mary is a secret agent sniper assassin either now every time John and Sherlock are in trouble we will be expecting her to be lurking to shoot the villain and it will be Mary who saves the day, they had to drug Mary this time just to go it alone otherwise she would have turned up to shoot magnissun instead of sherlock
I think the writers are good though I don't expect them to make it the mary show but it is a bit of a worry
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Old 17-01-2014, 09:56
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How about this idea for the next series.

Watson carries a gun around, as normal. The police see it and shoot him.

The series continues with Mr Holmes and Mrs Watson.




With all the people jumping up and down about what can and cannot happen in real life, I'm surprised there's little if any comment about Watson carrying a gun.
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Old 17-01-2014, 10:46
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How about this idea for the next series.

Watson carries a gun around, as normal. The police see it and shoot him.

The series continues with Mr Holmes and Mrs Watson.
A female Watson. ... that could never work.
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Old 17-01-2014, 11:29
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How about this idea for the next series.

Watson carries a gun around, as normal. The police see it and shoot him.

The series continues with Mr Holmes and Mrs Watson.




With all the people jumping up and down about what can and cannot happen in real life, I'm surprised there's little if any comment about Watson carrying a gun.
How about they start by stopping the nepotism and get rid of Mrs Holmes and Mrs Watson? Then they stop the convoluted crap plots revolving round the main characters and their enemies and get back to solving a different mystery each week, just like the first series?
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Old 17-01-2014, 13:14
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The first time, he came to Baker St and took over - showing he was the boss by searching them, peeing in the fire.

Later, he was so confident that he was the alpha male that he didn't see any need to check for weapons. He did not think he was in any danger, so didn't bother checking.
I'm sorry , but that doesn't make sense , he's made it clear that he's going to ruin their lives , Watson is a former soldier and Sherlock a sociopath , and yet he doesn't feel the need to search them?? plus Mary already attacked him .
and what about wire-taps ?
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