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Old 20-01-2014, 16:10
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Magnussen: murderer or not?
Imo, he is.
-attempted murder on Watson
-calling hitmen, giving the coordinates of someone; that's also murder.

Sherlock being less an investigator.
In series 3 certainly, altough, so far, it hasn't prevented me from enjoying it because other interesting aspects have taken a bigger place to still entertain me.
-a small exemple that has no consequences on the plot: when he met the underground guy in TEH. The guy starts by saying 'my girlfriend is a big fan of yours' and Sherlock replies sarcasticly 'a girlfriend, haaa!'
That's not Sherlock speaking, it's Moffat. It's also a gross stereotype that fans are losers with no life. I'm sure many people here, like me, could tell a lot of stories about having a life and stories about romantic conquests! And if you don't, you will. That comment (not believing a geek could have a girlfriend) is stupid coming from anyone. Even more so from Sherlock. Had he not changed during his 2 years trip abroad, he would have seen instantly from clues that he had a girlfriend. Usualy he gets bored and dismissive after the person has exposed their case. After he concludes the case is not worthy of him. In this scene with the underground guy, from the start, he's dismissive of him. Until he sees the footage and then it takes him the rest of the episode to realise there's a car missing!

As i said before, it's entertaining as a 'what if', good production and good actors. Very fun to discuss with you all
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:13
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You've given us two links to shippers who want Mary dead because Watson's wife is in the way of their fantasies. They're very cute, but don't forget some of the viewers are grown ups.

Disagree with everything you have said. I don't think there is any evidence that they have fantasies of anything in particular. If you were alive in Doyle's time would you have objected to him killing off Watson's wives, after all he brought back Sherlock because of demand.

I don't think cute is the right word here either and don't forget in canon Watson's wives all die.

Also if you object to what these people say please contact them about it. I just thought it was interesting to get another viewpoint.

It seems that anyone who points out a viewpoint that someone does not agree with is more or less told they are an idiot or have fantasies about Sherlock and John. No-one knows whether a certain poster has fantasies about anything unless they are claiming to be a mind reader.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:14
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In order...

1) Because Magnusson would have called people who wanted to kill John's pregnant wife.

2) Because Magnusson was over confident.

3) See 1

4) See 1

5) Memorised it. That was kinda the whole point of shooting him.

6) Magnusson doesn't break the law, therefore Mycroft is useless.

7) Because he is Rupert Murdoch and he can print anything he likes.

How did you not get all that from watching the episode? It was all perfectly obvious.
Er no it wasn't and a number of people elsewhere didn't get it either.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:15
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Is Moriarty left handed or right handed?
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:20
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Is Moriarty left handed or right handed?
He was flicking John with his right hand, as a left handed person I would never do that.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:30
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Is Moriarty left handed or right handed?
He was flicking John with his right hand, as a left handed person I would never do that.
Wrong person.

But i'm left handed and would have no problem flicking right handed.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:30
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It seems to me that this discussion has started to get a bit unpleasant. If a person, not me in particular, thinks something different from someone else, for example that they thought there were too many plot holes or Magnussen wasn't much of a villain, they are entitled to voice their opinion even if another person does not agree.

If they would have rather the episodes be more like previous episodes and if they think there was too much of some character or another, they are still entitled to their opinion and to voice it.

Saying you are too stupid (not in those words but it's implied) to have got the point of something or another because I got it and if you don't like Mary it's because you ship Sherlock and John is incorrect and assumes you know what someone is thinking when you don't.

I for instance quite liked Mary until episode 3, and I must admit I thought she was going to die because she does die. I didn't like her being a serial killer. I didn't like her shooting Sherlock. This doesn't mean I want to see Sherlock and John as a couple, because I don't.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:30
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He was flicking John with his right hand, as a left handed person I would never do that.
Moriarty. Not Magnusson.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:34
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Wrong person.

But i'm left handed and would have no problem flicking right handed.

Oh Moriarty you mean.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:35
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Ermm...arent a lot of you taking this show a little too seriously?
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:39
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Ermm...arent a lot of you taking this show a little too seriously?
It's actually getting a bit weird now. Anyhow, I am out all evening. So have a good time and maybe you'll find out if Andrew Scott is left handed. I think he is as he wrote Get Sherlock with his left hand.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:42
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It was only a question.

There was a thing in an earlier episode about someone being shot in the head, and he couldn't have done it himself because he was left handed. Then there was the slightly off thing with the tea cups.

In light of Moriarty's apparent resurrection, I just thought I'd ask.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:46
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It was only a question.

There was a thing in an earlier episode about someone being shot in the head, and he couldn't have done it himself because he was left handed. Then there was the slightly off thing with the tea cups.

In light of Moriarty's apparent resurrection, I just thought I'd ask.
Why not?
It doesn't render the other hand redundant.

Many people are ambidexterous. With Moriarty being a genius i'd say he could do most things, including write, with either hand.
If it wasn't natural he would have taught/trained himself to do it.
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:56
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Ermm...arent a lot of you taking this show a little too seriously?
Yes, but as long as you're aware of it, it's fun
And also, it's not just another show. It's a show about an iconic character known worldwide with a hundred year old legacy!
Seriously, it's all about the fun of being serious, funnily enough
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Old 20-01-2014, 16:56
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Like I said, it was only a question.
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Old 20-01-2014, 17:45
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So, I bought the DVD, and there's an extra on it called 'The Fall'. The director is talking about the various versions of the fall, and he said that the version that Sherlock told Anderson is 'The real one'. Interviews with the actors and writers concur. So that's it, the third version was right. And really, it works. Apparently they consulted magicians, and asked them how they would stage an illusion like this, and this was what they came up with.

Thinking about some of the illusions that David Copperfield does, this looks easy by comparison!
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Old 20-01-2014, 20:56
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Had a look at the Ratings Thread earlier, and the final viewing figures for Sherlock look excellent, with an average of 11.83 million over the three episodes. This is an increase over series 2, apparently.

Together with the impressive ratings for Musketeers and Call the Midwife last night, those people over at the BBC will be very happy bunnies indeed.
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Old 20-01-2014, 21:09
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So, I bought the DVD, and there's an extra on it called 'The Fall'. The director is talking about the various versions of the fall, and he said that the version that Sherlock told Anderson is 'The real one'. Interviews with the actors and writers concur. So that's it, the third version was right. And really, it works. Apparently they consulted magicians, and asked them how they would stage an illusion like this, and this was what they came up with.

Thinking about some of the illusions that David Copperfield does, this looks easy by comparison!
Now you just have to factor in if Moriarty didn't kill himself.
Sherlock could hardly use the same 'escape' and there was a lot of time and effort put into it.
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Old 20-01-2014, 21:18
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It was an huge change in style and she was a main character. The fact that you do not, in fact, agree with me is no need for sarcasm, also you have got it wrong, I'm not upset, I'm actually quite angry that I wasted my time watching this.

Read the following, you'll hate it: http://thediurnalrambler.blogspot.co...s-3-sucks.html
Ouch..on the point of no emotional ramifications I have had a wary eye on the Moff since the Ponds had their baby daughter stolen and returned to them as a middle aged psychopath, and they all lived happily ever after.

Really ? He's a parent for God's sake..how could he write that..easy when you just throw anything on paper and know that you can just ignore the consequences..Just as with the Holmes murder of Magnussen...yes he murdered him.
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Old 20-01-2014, 21:20
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I've just had a look and will take it with a pinch of salt. That blogger has not written a positive review about any
film or TV programme on there - everything s*cks, apparently!

I must ask do people watch it for Sherlock Holmes or for Benedict Cumberbatch now? This is becoming the same situation with Doctor Who where they watch it for the actor and they don't care how stupid the character/plots get.
I think this can happen with almost any programme on TV, and is already apparent on the Musketeers thread, where there are 4 main characters to choose from!

I can only speak for myself of course, but no, I have watched Sherlock series 3 because I enjoyed it every bit as much as the first two. If I hadn't liked it, though, my eye candy of choice would be Lestrade.


As i said before, it's entertaining as a 'what if', good production and good actors. Very fun to discuss with you all
It is!

It seems to me that this discussion has started to get a bit unpleasant. If a person, not me in particular, thinks something different from someone else, for example that they thought there were too many plot holes or Magnussen wasn't much of a villain, they are entitled to voice their opinion even if another person does not agree.
It can feel like that at times, and as someone who has enjoyed the show, there are some comments from people who disliked it which I have found to be a bit uncalled for too.

A couple of days ago, I came across a message from Forum Support on here which said that a lot of posts had been removed overnight, presumably because things got overheated and someone reported it. I don't know what the posts said, because I didn't read them. All I can say is, if you read something which you think is offensive or breaks T and Cs, then alert the mods and they would probably decide whether the comment was suitable to stay or not.

You will probably guess from my name that I am a Strictly Come Dancing fan and I have alerted one or two posts on there in the past.
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Old 20-01-2014, 21:20
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I think there are legs in this Janine / Moriarty connection. She is the only person in the whole show who does not have a sirname, or can anyone else think of one?

Edited to say that she doesn't even have a surname in the credits. the only one...
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Old 20-01-2014, 21:42
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The only problems I have with a Janine-Moriarty connecion is that she couldn't possibly know that a) Sherlock was going to 'come back from the dead' and b) although Mary was using her to get to Magnussen, she couldn't have known that Mary was going to fall in love with Sherlock's best friend.
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Old 20-01-2014, 21:57
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ARRRGGHHH!!!!! my eyes.

Not the content. Spending 30mins on this super bright site then spending a couple of minutes on a black background with off white text

I can see where he's coming from with some stuff but wouldn't agree with all of it.
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Old 20-01-2014, 22:04
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I think there are legs in this Janine / Moriarty connection. She is the only person in the whole show who does not have a sirname, or can anyone else think of one?

Edited to say that she doesn't even have a surname in the credits. the only one...
By connection, you mean more than working for, since you mention her surname?
In the original, Moriarty is old enough to be her father. But not in Sherlock.
If they're related, what's left? Sister, cousin, wife...?
Perhaps she is Moriarty! Perhaps that's why it took so long for the reappearance? If he's back of course.
Even if he's not back, she could still be related. There's still a few unanswered questions about her.
Personaly, i find it strange that she opened the door for Sherlock. Yes, women can become all romanticaly out of their mind. But not women who reach a high position like she had. And we're talking big time treason towards her boss (for me, giving access to her boss personal office, would be the sack on the spot). Also, Sherlock's proposal is untimely, in the sens that they never had sex. In our modern world, how many women would think their relation was the one, without knowing more about the man proposing?
That was rethorical. I understand it's very subjective and it's in character psychology territory, not fact.
So, to conclude, there's still grey areas around her. And if she's related, some people will critisis the fact as being soap-opera-ish!
Do you have a theory? Sister, cousin...
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Old 20-01-2014, 22:11
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By connection, you mean more than working for, since you mention her surname?
In the original, Moriarty is old enough to be her father. But not in Sherlock.
If they're related, what's left? Sister, cousin, wife...?
Perhaps she is Moriarty! Perhaps that's why it took so long for the reappearance? If he's back of course.
Even if he's not back, she could still be related. There's still a few unanswered questions about her.
Personaly, i find it strange that she opened the door for Sherlock. Yes, women can become all romanticaly out of their mind. But not women who reach a high position like she had. And we're talking big time treason towards her boss (for me, giving access to her boss personal office, would be the sack on the spot). Also, Sherlock's proposal is untimely, in the sens that they never had sex. In our modern world, how many women would think their relation was the one, without knowing more about the man proposing?
That was rethorical. I understand it's very subjective and it's in character psychology territory, not fact.
So, to conclude, there's still grey areas around her. And if she's related, some people will critisis the fact as being soap-opera-ish!
Do you have a theory? Sister, cousin...
Sister because Moriarty had brothers in Conan Doyle's books. Also, it sounded exactly like her when Moriarty interrupted the football match and the high pitched 'miss mes' sounded just like Janine.

Also, she was overly sadistic cutting off Sherlocks morphine - who would do that just because you were used in a relationship.

Also, she threatened Sherlock when she left the hospital.

Also, what did CAM have on Janine and why did he need to flick her face?
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