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Old 09-01-2014, 21:51
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Following the unique preceding episodes, Sherlock takes another distinct tonal turn with the finale of Series Three. This time, we're heading into far more mature territory in terms of the characterization and plotting, Steven Moffat's script taking the viewer on a relentless rollercoaster of emotion and jaw dropping, unexpected twists.

Make no mistake, this is arguably the darkest episode in the series' history, going to places it has never trodden before. It is emotionally devastating in ways completely different from The Reichenbach Fall, while retaining a vein of tight, fierce humour that relies explicitly upon character based incident and wordplay that is also markedly different from the comedy that appears in The Sign of Three, for example.

This is not what some have cited as the 'fan service' that has appeared in The Empty Hearse and The Sign of Three, more a logical follow-through from previously established events and a fulfillment of some possibly long held suspicions that coalesce into some dramatic final closing scenes.

When the end credits start, do not turn off your television or change the channel.
With any luck, if it as good and different as early reviewers claim, the Moffat episode might put a few calls for his head on hold for the time-being.
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Old 09-01-2014, 22:07
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If they have to kill off anyone, I could live without Anderson. I could also get unseemly pleasure from the extreme humiliation of Mycroft.

Lestrade's assistant has been with us since Series 1, Ep.1, so not being introduced now as a replacement.

I LIKE MARY. I will be very upset if she goes.
I'd be more than happy to see the back of Lestrade, Molly and Mary (and that awful black policewoman, forget her name).
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Old 09-01-2014, 22:11
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With any luck, if it as good and different as early reviewers claim, the Moffat episode might put a few calls for his head on hold for the time-being.
I'm fully expecting the episode to be great but it won't excuse wasting two episodes of the series on frivolous nonsense.
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Old 09-01-2014, 22:15
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I know a lot of 'spoiler free' reviews have been posted here already but I don't think I saw this one. I may have just missed it so apologies if I am re-posting. It doesn't reveal any big major spoilers but is a bit more spoilery than the others I've read so if you found the others too much maybe don't read this one.
http://cumberbatchweb.tumblr.com/pos...iew-last-night

A few very interesting points:

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Old 09-01-2014, 22:19
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What's up with that explanation?
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Old 09-01-2014, 22:53
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I'm fully expecting the episode to be great
Even without it resolving anything or highlighting any details we missed, unable to surprise us & being entirely a comedy? Because that's all Moffat can do now, if I recall
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Old 09-01-2014, 22:53
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Not that baseless at all, if you consider the way Holmes almost spits out the word "poppet" (puppet) in his speech.
I meant baseless in the sense that I didn't base my theory on anything and it was merely a hunch on my part.
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Old 09-01-2014, 22:56
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I believe the answer given to Anderson is the correct (and final) version of what happened.
For me, the overall scene was to also reflect that whatever explanation he gave, it wouldn't be accepted as the truth by everyone. Cleverly done I thought!
Well it certainly seems to have worked in that respect.
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:00
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With any luck, if it as good and different as early reviewers claim, the Moffat episode might put a few calls for his head on hold for the time-being.
Perhaps, but "jaw dropping, unexpected twists" from Moffat in Doctor Who have generally meant "making it up as he goes along and ignoring any continuity to what he's previously written" so I don't have high hopes.
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:02
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I know a lot of 'spoiler free' reviews have been posted here already but I don't think I saw this one. I may have just missed it so apologies if I am re-posting. It doesn't reveal any big major spoilers but is a bit more spoilery than the others I've read so if you found the others too much maybe don't read this one.
http://cumberbatchweb.tumblr.com/pos...iew-last-night

A few very interesting points:

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Old 09-01-2014, 23:03
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Even without it resolving anything or highlighting any details we missed, unable to surprise us & being entirely a comedy? Because that's all Moffat can do now, if I recall
Yes you are correct there. Moffat can write comedy set pieces but is unable to thread them together into a coherent storyline.
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:05
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Louis Moffat will be in the next episode? Lol, they weren't kidding when they said they didn't care about the nepotism accusations...
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:06
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:06
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Louis Moffat will be in the next episode? Lol, they weren't kidding when they said they didn't care about the nepotism accusations...
Plus isn't his wife the producer?
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:16
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Perhaps, but "jaw dropping, unexpected twists" from Moffat in Doctor Who have generally meant "making it up as he goes along and ignoring any continuity to what he's previously written" so I don't have high hopes.
I would be concerned if continuity failed in a 3 episode run yes.
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:30
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Plus isn't his wife the producer?
Yes, and his mother-in-law is an executive producer. It's all very cosy.
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:32
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Even without it resolving anything or highlighting any details we missed, unable to surprise us & being entirely a comedy? Because that's all Moffat can do now, if I recall
We'll see. I've always thought Moffat was much better at 'Sherlock' than he ever was at 'Doctor Who' (apart from series 5). If Moffat can produce something decent as he did in the first two series of 'Sherlock' I'll be delighted, but it won't change my mind that the other two episodes of this series have been crap.
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:33
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Perhaps, but "jaw dropping, unexpected twists" from Moffat in Doctor Who have generally meant "making it up as he goes along and ignoring any continuity to what he's previously written" so I don't have high hopes.
So true. The first rule of television is "Moffat lies". He's admitted as much himself, almost to the point of bragging.
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:33
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The characters you'd least expect to die would be Sherlock and Watson and as The actors have signed on for next series I can't imagine it.

I have a feeling who it might be...not Mycroft....someone else.
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Old 09-01-2014, 23:37
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Okay then how about

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Old 09-01-2014, 23:43
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The characters you'd least expect to die would be Sherlock and Watson and as The actors have signed on for next series I can't imagine it.

I have a feeling who it might be...not Mycroft....someone else.
I too don't think they would kill Sherlock again.
But the fact that actors have signed a contract for the following season makes no difference. You can have an entire season with flashbacks from a character who died earlier.
Technique usualy used for dramas so it's doubtful for Sherlock. And yet...
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Old 10-01-2014, 00:02
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Yes you are correct there. Moffat can write comedy set pieces but is unable to thread them together into a coherent storyline.
Have you watched episode two yet?
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Old 10-01-2014, 00:05
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Sack Moffat Now! He has his own child feature in a brief cameo. Its a disgrace!

Really getting desperate now.
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Old 10-01-2014, 00:44
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Would be pretty surprised if Mycroft doesn't die at this point. From the trailer he looks to be playing an important role in the story and now this talk of flashbacks?
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Old 10-01-2014, 01:05
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If your talking of my post, i'm clearly talking in general sens that it's not a contradiction for a character to be dead and at the same time the actor who plays it is signed for the following season. All they have to do is use the flashbacks technique.
I also said i doubted it for Sherlock. The 'and yet...' i left at the end was a wink at the amount of posts that feared Sherlock becoming more drama oriented.
Talking about the trailer is a bit of a spoiler. Many explicits theories were made here by a lot of people (including myself), but it was all based on what we've seen in the past episodes.
Lastly, even if they kill someone they can bring them back afterward, as we've seen. As long as there is a good explanation. Hard to do but these people have to earn their high salary that comes with a hit series.
Just to be precise
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