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Old 01-01-2016, 23:59
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Where's the 'equality' in repeatedly showing a female slapping a man across the face?
There isn't any.

I'm female and I can't help feeling embarrassed by this feminist agenda being thrown in our faces ad infinitum.
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Old 01-01-2016, 23:59
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Still a bit confused about it here......

It kept switching between modern and Victorian times which was utterly confusing. You didn't know which world was real.

When he first woke up on the plane I thought it had all been a dream and that was it.....

But then when it kept switching between times with him waking up from a "dream" it left me utterly baffled


So... Was he really solving the case in Victorian Times and dreaming about what the furure would be like when on the Plane?? Or when he was on the plane was he trying to think back into the past to try and solve a mystery that happened years ago?

What happened to those women dressing up as "ghosts" so they could get away with killing their husbands??

Sorry but I just can't get my head around it...
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:07
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Still a bit confused about it here......

It kept switching between modern and Victorian times which was utterly confusing. You didn't know which world was real.

When he first woke up on the plane I thought it had all been a dream and that was it.....

But then when it kept switching between times with him waking up from a "dream" it left me utterly baffled


So... Was he really solving the case in Victorian Times and dreaming about what the furure would be like when on the Plane?? Or when he was on the plane was he trying to think back into the past to try and solve a mystery that happened years ago?

What happened to those women dressing up as "ghosts" so they could get away with killing their husbands??

Sorry but I just can't get my head around it...
So, in summary, in order to figure out how Moriarty is alive, Holmes takes an overdose to enable him to recreate a Victorian murder mystery in his head, in which the suspect, like Moriarty had killed themselves.

Solution ; A frankly bizarre suicide/murder/suicide aided by her pals who were all gals being persecuted by brutish men...Boo !!! Hiss! Holmes lets them all off.

Upshot of all that is Moriarty is indeed dead but bothers Holmes still, so he and Watson bump him off in the mind palace.

Oh and there's another hour or so of psychological analysis of Holmes for budding psychiatrists amongs us.

Oh and the constant disclaimers in the show probably mean Moriarty will have a twin..
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:09
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Do people pay attention to the programs they watch...
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:15
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So, in summary, in order to figure out how Moriarty is alive, Holmes takes an overdose to enable him to recreate a Victorian murder mystery in his head, in which the suspect, like Moriarty had killed themselves.

Solution ; A frankly bizarre suicide/murder/suicide aided by her pals who were all gals being persecuted by brutish men...Boo !!! Hiss! Holmes lets them all off.

Upshot of all that is Moriarty is indeed dead but bothers Holmes still, so he and Watson bump him off in the mind palace.

Oh and there's another hour or so of psychological analysis of Holmes for budding psychiatrists amongs us.
But didn't Sherlock say something at the end, that he knows what he (Moriarty) is going to do next?

IMO, Moriarty will never be dead, as he'll always be in Sherlock's head. Messrs Moffat and Gatiss killed him off too early I think.
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:16
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But didn't Sherlock say something at the end, that he knows what he (Moriarty) is going to do next?

IMO, Moriarty will never be dead, as he'll always be in Sherlock's head. Messrs Moffat and Gatiss killed him off too early I think.
Moriartys twin

And for me, a couple of episodes of this sinister Graham Norton clone were more than enough.

http://youtu.be/lk_-E2eBrrQ
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:17
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There's nothing wrong with feminism in a show, but the way it's often portrayed is totally warped and ridiculous. Many people who champion equality and good representation in media would be the first to tell you that slapping men about and putting them down is doing favours for absolutely nobody.

Moffat has a tendency to include this kind of "feminism" in his writing quite regularly.
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:19
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Do people pay attention to the programs they watch...
Apparently not.

Maybe the problem was that this episode of Sherlock was more like fantasy than a straightforward story. People just don't like fantasy, and don't get into the fantasy mindset when they watch it.

I love fantasy and found it all very easy to accept, and I enjoyed the banter between Sherlock and John, as I always do.

But perhaps it was a bit unfair of Moffat to expect people to suddenly have a whole different genre to relate to. (Although imo Sherlock has always been nearly fantasy).

Personally I forgive Moffat (again) for my disappointment with this year's Doctor Who. he has redeemed himself (again) with this episode of Sherlock.
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:20
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Do people pay attention to the programs they watch...
Would you care to elaborate on what people aren't paying attention to?
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:21
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Apparently not.

Maybe the problem was that this episode of Sherlock was more like fantasy than a straightforward story. People just don't like fantasy, and don't get into the fantasy mindset when they watch it.

I love fantasy and found it all very easy to accept, and I enjoyed the banter between Sherlock and John, as I always do.

But perhaps it was a bit unfair of Moffat to expect people to suddenly have a whole different genre to relate to. (Although imo Sherlock has always been nearly fantasy).

Personally I forgive Moffat (again) for my disappointment with this year's Doctor Who. he has redeemed himself (again) with this episode of Sherlock.
Do you mean this episode of Sherlock in which, nothing happened ?
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:21
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Moriartys twin

And for me, a couple of episodes of this sinister Graham Norton clone were more than enough.

http://youtu.be/lk_-E2eBrrQ
Oh yes. I forgot about the twin, lol.

There are two Moriarty's in the books but I didn't get that connection tonight.
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:23
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There's nothing wrong with feminism in a show, but the way it's often portrayed is totally warped and ridiculous. Many people who champion equality and good representation in media would be the first to tell you that slapping men about and putting them down is doing favours for absolutely nobody.

Moffat has a tendency to include this kind of "feminism" in his writing quite regularly.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:46
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Would you care to elaborate on what people aren't paying attention to?
What actually happened on screen rather than what they thought should have happened.

Do you mean this episode of Sherlock in which, nothing happened ?
That's strange. I thought I'd watched an hour and a half of an entertaining programme not a blank screen. Perhaps it was all happening in my mind palace.
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Old 02-01-2016, 00:59
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What actually happened on screen rather than what they thought should have happened.



That's strange. I thought I'd watched an hour and a half of an entertaining programme not a blank screen. Perhaps it was all happening in my mind palace.
Well let's see, Sherlock goes into the episode tonight, guilty of murder and on the brink of exile with Moriarty reappearing and comes out of it with a pardon and "it's okay Moriarty is still dead".

And it took an hour and a half of "entertainment " to confuse people enough to not notice that Holmes has got away with murder.

Fail to see why they need Holmes to sort out Moriarty anyway... Once he'd exposed himself then his days as a Napoleon of crime were pretty much over.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:00
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What actually happened on screen rather than what they thought should have happened.



That's strange. I thought I'd watched an hour and a half of an entertaining programme not a blank screen. Perhaps it was all happening in my mind palace.
But all that happened, going by your explanation on the other thread (thanks for that) is that Holmes now knows Moriarty is dead. But he can't be as Holmes says something about knowing what he will do next

So, if he is dead, what can he do next?
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:08
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What actually happened on screen rather than what they thought should have happened.



That's strange. I thought I'd watched an hour and a half of an entertaining programme not a blank screen. Perhaps it was all happening in my mind palace.
I haven't read any posts about that.

I think FMs cottoned on that it was a dream. Dreams don't make sense. Altered states of consciousness don't make sense. Books and dramas depicting streams of consciousness don't always make sense... and so on.

How are any of us expected to get into somebody else's head?

Then there's Steven Moffat and the way he does things.

They can all be a right mixture of confusion.

Having said that, all the mind palace stuff that has been done in previous episodes were easier to follow than tonight's episode.

But maybe that's just me.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:11
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No, the BBC hate all-male casts, or all-male panel shows. There was probably some agreement that Mary had to join. And that the show was about feminism.

It's getting beyond a joke.
Now I'm convinced you're Moffat!
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:13
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That was really great and innovative. Pulled off a difficult concept beautifully.

Writing, directing, acting - all spot on, as per the norm. Can't wait for S4.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:17
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Would you care to elaborate on what people aren't paying attention to?
I wouldn't care to elaborate on what people aren't paying attention to, no...

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Old 02-01-2016, 01:18
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I wouldn't care to elaborate on what people aren't paying attention to, no...

Fair enough.

I was interested to hear your thoughts, that's all.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:21
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What did you all make of Mary's spying again tonight?

I know, it was a dream. But even so...
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:24
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It's 'femininism' btw. Philomena Cunk has covered this and is never wrong.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:26
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What did you all make of Mary's spying again tonight?

I know, it was a dream. But even so...
I assume that was Holmes mind telling him not to trust her. But who knows! It could mean anything!!
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:29
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I assume that was Holmes mind telling him not to trust her. But who knows! It could mean anything!!
BIB - Those were my thoughts too. Phew.

And yes, it could mean anything.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:30
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Fair enough.

I was interested to hear your thoughts, that's all.
I was just teasing, I couldn't resist, I have a terribly lame mischievous side, sorry.

I expressed the comment about questioning if people were paying attention because I have seen comments about people not understanding things that were clearly explained in the episode.

One talked about not understanding which world was real as it was flipping back and forth between modern day and 1890... its clear at that point in the story that 1890 is in Sherlock head as some advance mind palace reality thing... Only at the end do they do a playful thing that some what un-seriously suggest the modern series is 1890 Sherlock imagining the future. But its clear as day to anyone paying attention to the show and this story that 1890 was in modern day Sherlock's head.

A cheeky suggestion at the end that it wasn't is something other shows have done when characters have gone into a different reality that perceives their normal reality as being fake.. Buffy comes to mind.
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