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Well that was a total let down. I was enjoying the first half hour then it turned to trippy nonsense.. Just like it has since that useless Moriarty turned up. He brings nothing but riddles.. Most British people after a night celebrating NYE don't want their minds mashed like this.. Oh and can we please have a period drama without the reminder of the existence of the Suffragettes.. It's getting boring now.. All it does is frustrate me knowing that after all their heroics 60% of women don't even bother to vote
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Best bit was seeing a distant relative pop up - Wilder played by Tim Barlow. He's deaf in real life so having him in a signing role was inspired casting.
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Well that was a total let down. I was enjoying the first half hour then it turned to trippy nonsense.. Just like it has since that useless Moriarty turned up. He brings nothing but riddles.. Most British people after a night celebrating NYE don't want their minds mashed like this.. Oh and can we please have a period drama without the reminder of the existence of the Suffragettes.. It's getting boring now.. All it does is frustrate me knowing that after all their heroics 60% of women don't even bother to vote
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Very good episode. I was expecting a tease for Season 4 but I didn't expect that much of a tease.
As usual, the writing, acting and dialogue were superb. My slight criticism was the repetitive time jumps near the end of the episode. Can't wait for Season 4. |
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Awful. Just utterly awful.
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I thought it was awful. You thought it was amazing. That's fine, can't expect everyone to like the same things.
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just utter garbage.
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Or that they are the only ones intelligent enough to know when utter rot is...well...utter rot.
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No. It was utter rot.
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Just a hunch, but something tells me you didn't like it?
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Can I just point out that everything in the dream was in Sherlock's MInd Palace and everything there was supposedly what Sherlock believed.
The whole point about the feminism angle was Sherlock incorporating the Suffragette movement into his fantasy - and when Mycroft said he would have to let them win I think some of it was down to Sherlock knowing they had already won the right to vote. There was also the references to Mycroft being smarter than him and he belittled Mycroft by making him a fat slob eating himself to death for the sake of winning a bet. I do remember in the books that Sherlock would happily let people off murders if he thought the murders were justified. He was always more interested in solving the murders than ensuring justice was done. This is something that latest Sherlock Holmes inspired shows such as House MD and the Mentalist have also incorporated. In this case he saw no reason to bring the murderers to justice as he understood their reasons. |
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I know this is a long shot... but I wonder if Mr Moffat will now show us how Sherlock survived the fall.
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But all that happened, going by your explanation on the other thread (thanks for that) is that Holmes now knows Moriarty is dead. But he can't be as Holmes says something about knowing what he will do next
![]() So, if he is dead, what can he do next? Anyway, if he'd left behind the recording and the where-withal to get it broadcast, he can have left other timed automated activities, too. Most likely internet-based, like releasing a computer virus, but there could also be physical time-bombs, perhaps releasing a biological virus. Since Moriarty is dead, he doesn't care if he makes the planet unliveable for everyone else. (Although I suspect he'd want some people left alive to remember him.) |
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Here's a good quote ;
"When you create new layers of abstraction between the thing or event, you are becoming more meta. For example: A footnote that is needed to explain another footnote is meta. The problem with being meta is that if you add sufficient layers of abstraction or complexity between the original event and the convenient abstractions you create to clarify or explain it, you eventually lose all connection to the original. Generally, you need no more than two or three levels in writing. Too much meta in your writing leads to meta fog. In writing, this means your writing sucks." But of course, as I will keep pointing out, all this distraction enables Moffatt to smoothly glide over the corner he wrote himself in by having Holmes murder someone last show: In summary ; "You've murdered someone, now you're for it" "Look out its Moriarty !!!" "Oh it can't be Moriarty he's dead" "You're not in trouble anymore." It's not genius to throw enough glittery baubles of whackiness in your audiences face that they ignore the fundamental cliffhanger that you originally wrote. Of course Moff has form in this regard..he over-egged Holmes fake death so much that he knew he could never fulfil expectations so he went for meta. He's written some exceptional tv but has an unfortunate tendency to write himself into corners that he's not clever enough to get out of. |
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I took it as confirming that the third explanation, with what's her name providing a body, was actually the true one. A lot of people were denying that.
We saw Moriarty on TV. So presumably that was a recording that Moriarty prepared before he died, to be released in the event of his death. Perhaps on a dead-man's switch - in other words, perhaps it released automatically unless he did something to postpone it each day. Anyway, if he'd left behind the recording and the where-withal to get it broadcast, he can have left other timed automated activities, too. Most likely internet-based, like releasing a computer virus, but there could also be physical time-bombs, perhaps releasing a biological virus. Since Moriarty is dead, he doesn't care if he makes the planet unliveable for everyone else. (Although I suspect he'd want some people left alive to remember him.) ![]() Moff does seem to be confusing his tv shows. |
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Well, I loved it
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I was just teasing, I couldn't resist, I have a terribly lame mischievous side, sorry.
I expressed the comment about questioning if people were paying attention because I have seen comments about people not understanding things that were clearly explained in the episode. One talked about not understanding which world was real as it was flipping back and forth between modern day and 1890... its clear at that point in the story that 1890 is in Sherlock head as some advance mind palace reality thing... Only at the end do they do a playful thing that some what un-seriously suggest the modern series is 1890 Sherlock imagining the future. But its clear as day to anyone paying attention to the show and this story that 1890 was in modern day Sherlock's head. A cheeky suggestion at the end that it wasn't is something other shows have done when characters have gone into a different reality that perceives their normal reality as being fake.. Buffy comes to mind.
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Can I just get a Sherlock that has a mystery without all the typical Moffat nonsense, the first 2 series of the show I really enjoyed, but since the start of series 3 the episodes have been filled with such rubbish and self indulgence that it's really putting me off the show.
It's getting to the point where i'm starting to despise the Sherlock character TBH Was really looking forward to it too with it being set in the Victorian times too :/ I thought the concept of putting Sherlock in a modern setting and reworking the original cases was a really good one, but by the last series I just felt like it reeked of the show writers and creators wanting to show how very much more clever they are than anyone watching! There are a lot of other issues I have with it now too, which I won't rattle on about but I just don't enjoy watching anymore (others in my household do though so it's clearly just that I'm not in the target audience, I think ![]() )
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Well, I loved it
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That was basically the TV equivalent of post-OK Computer era Radiohead. That's not a compliment, in case you were wondering.
And yes, as others have said, please for the love of God get rid of Mary. I know she's married to Watson but how much longer is she going to interfere with the plot? |
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Please don't compare any-era Radiohead to this rubbish.
And yes, as others have said, please for the love of God get rid of Mary. I know she's married to Watson but how much longer is she going to interfere with the plot? |
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Anyone looking forward to the new series?
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Not much chance of that. I'm sure Mrs Martin Freeman's employment is a key factor in Mr Martin Freeman's continued availability to shoot more episodes...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38404463 |
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Anyone looking forward to the new series?
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Not much chance of that. I'm sure Mrs Martin Freeman's employment is a key factor in Mr Martin Freeman's continued availability to shoot more episodes...
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It is likely Mary will die this series anyway. The trailers seem to indicate that
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It is likely Mary will die this series anyway. The trailers seem to indicate that
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Mary, mary quite contrary. She's definitely getting her marching orders. |
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Anyone looking forward to the new series?
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Not much point sticking that in a spoiler it's been mentioned in interviews on BBC breakfast last weekend and reposted online.
Mary, mary quite contrary. She's definitely getting her marching orders. |
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Not much point sticking that in a spoiler it's been mentioned in interviews on BBC breakfast last weekend and reposted online.
Mary, mary quite contrary. She's definitely getting her marching orders.
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