Well that was a total let down. I was enjoying the first half hour then it turned to trippy nonsense.. Just like it has since that useless Moriarty turned up. He brings nothing but riddles.. Most British people after a night celebrating NYE don't want their minds mashed like this.. Oh and can we please have a period drama without the reminder of the existence of the Suffragettes.. It's getting boring now.. All it does is frustrate me knowing that after all their heroics 60% of women don't even bother to vote
Sherlock - BBC Drama (Part 3)
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Originally Posted by ClarkF1:
“Best bit was seeing a distant relative pop up - Wilder played by Tim Barlow. He's deaf in real life so having him in a signing role was inspired casting.”
“Best bit was seeing a distant relative pop up - Wilder played by Tim Barlow. He's deaf in real life so having him in a signing role was inspired casting.”
For me, Tim will always be the rebel that helped the Doctor to fight the Daleks back in 1979 in Destiny of the Daleks.
Originally Posted by Randysback:
“Well that was a total let down. I was enjoying the first half hour then it turned to trippy nonsense.. Just like it has since that useless Moriarty turned up. He brings nothing but riddles.. Most British people after a night celebrating NYE don't want their minds mashed like this.. Oh and can we please have a period drama without the reminder of the existence of the Suffragettes.. It's getting boring now.. All it does is frustrate me knowing that after all their heroics 60% of women don't even bother to vote”
“Well that was a total let down. I was enjoying the first half hour then it turned to trippy nonsense.. Just like it has since that useless Moriarty turned up. He brings nothing but riddles.. Most British people after a night celebrating NYE don't want their minds mashed like this.. Oh and can we please have a period drama without the reminder of the existence of the Suffragettes.. It's getting boring now.. All it does is frustrate me knowing that after all their heroics 60% of women don't even bother to vote”
I hadn't realised we elected a voice that speaks on the behalf of Most British people..... tell me what are Most British people opinions on Fracking? Thanks.
Very good episode. I was expecting a tease for Season 4 but I didn't expect that much of a tease.
As usual, the writing, acting and dialogue were superb.
My slight criticism was the repetitive time jumps near the end of the episode.
Can't wait for Season 4.
As usual, the writing, acting and dialogue were superb.
My slight criticism was the repetitive time jumps near the end of the episode.
Can't wait for Season 4.
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“Awful. Just utterly awful.”
“Awful. Just utterly awful.”
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“I thought it was awful. You thought it was amazing. That's fine, can't expect everyone to like the same things.”
“I thought it was awful. You thought it was amazing. That's fine, can't expect everyone to like the same things.”
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“ just utter garbage.”
“ just utter garbage.”
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“Or that they are the only ones intelligent enough to know when utter rot is...well...utter rot.”
“Or that they are the only ones intelligent enough to know when utter rot is...well...utter rot.”
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“No. It was utter rot.”
“No. It was utter rot.”
Just a hunch, but something tells me you didn't like it?
Originally Posted by Daniel Dare:
“Just a hunch, but something tells me you didn't like it?”
“Just a hunch, but something tells me you didn't like it?”
But the sadness is, I was really wanting to like it. And I loved Series 1 and really enjoyed Series 2.
Can I just point out that everything in the dream was in Sherlock's MInd Palace and everything there was supposedly what Sherlock believed.
The whole point about the feminism angle was Sherlock incorporating the Suffragette movement into his fantasy - and when Mycroft said he would have to let them win I think some of it was down to Sherlock knowing they had already won the right to vote. There was also the references to Mycroft being smarter than him and he belittled Mycroft by making him a fat slob eating himself to death for the sake of winning a bet.
I do remember in the books that Sherlock would happily let people off murders if he thought the murders were justified. He was always more interested in solving the murders than ensuring justice was done. This is something that latest Sherlock Holmes inspired shows such as House MD and the Mentalist have also incorporated. In this case he saw no reason to bring the murderers to justice as he understood their reasons.
The whole point about the feminism angle was Sherlock incorporating the Suffragette movement into his fantasy - and when Mycroft said he would have to let them win I think some of it was down to Sherlock knowing they had already won the right to vote. There was also the references to Mycroft being smarter than him and he belittled Mycroft by making him a fat slob eating himself to death for the sake of winning a bet.
I do remember in the books that Sherlock would happily let people off murders if he thought the murders were justified. He was always more interested in solving the murders than ensuring justice was done. This is something that latest Sherlock Holmes inspired shows such as House MD and the Mentalist have also incorporated. In this case he saw no reason to bring the murderers to justice as he understood their reasons.
Originally Posted by nethwen:
“I know this is a long shot... but I wonder if Mr Moffat will now show us how Sherlock survived the fall.
ETA: Maybe not.”
“I know this is a long shot... but I wonder if Mr Moffat will now show us how Sherlock survived the fall.
ETA: Maybe not.”
I took it as confirming that the third explanation, with what's her name providing a body, was actually the true one. A lot of people were denying that.
Originally Posted by pedrok:
“But all that happened, going by your explanation on the other thread (thanks for that) is that Holmes now knows Moriarty is dead. But he can't be as Holmes says something about knowing what he will do next
So, if he is dead, what can he do next?”
“But all that happened, going by your explanation on the other thread (thanks for that) is that Holmes now knows Moriarty is dead. But he can't be as Holmes says something about knowing what he will do next
So, if he is dead, what can he do next?”
We saw Moriarty on TV. So presumably that was a recording that Moriarty prepared before he died, to be released in the event of his death. Perhaps on a dead-man's switch - in other words, perhaps it released automatically unless he did something to postpone it each day.
Anyway, if he'd left behind the recording and the where-withal to get it broadcast, he can have left other timed automated activities, too. Most likely internet-based, like releasing a computer virus, but there could also be physical time-bombs, perhaps releasing a biological virus. Since Moriarty is dead, he doesn't care if he makes the planet unliveable for everyone else. (Although I suspect he'd want some people left alive to remember him.)
Here's a good quote ;
"When you create new layers of abstraction between the thing or event, you are becoming more meta.
For example: A footnote that is needed to explain another footnote is meta.
The problem with being meta is that if you add sufficient layers of abstraction or complexity between the original event and the convenient abstractions you create to clarify or explain it, you eventually lose all connection to the original. Generally, you need no more than two or three levels in writing.
Too much meta in your writing leads to meta fog.
In writing, this means your writing sucks."
But of course, as I will keep pointing out, all this distraction enables Moffatt to smoothly glide over the corner he wrote himself in by having Holmes murder someone last show:
In summary ;
"You've murdered someone, now you're for it"
"Look out its Moriarty !!!"
"Oh it can't be Moriarty he's dead"
"You're not in trouble anymore."
It's not genius to throw enough glittery baubles of whackiness in your audiences face that they ignore the fundamental cliffhanger that you originally wrote.
Of course Moff has form in this regard..he over-egged Holmes fake death so much that he knew he could never fulfil expectations so he went for meta.
He's written some exceptional tv but has an unfortunate tendency to write himself into corners that he's not clever enough to get out of.
"When you create new layers of abstraction between the thing or event, you are becoming more meta.
For example: A footnote that is needed to explain another footnote is meta.
The problem with being meta is that if you add sufficient layers of abstraction or complexity between the original event and the convenient abstractions you create to clarify or explain it, you eventually lose all connection to the original. Generally, you need no more than two or three levels in writing.
Too much meta in your writing leads to meta fog.
In writing, this means your writing sucks."
But of course, as I will keep pointing out, all this distraction enables Moffatt to smoothly glide over the corner he wrote himself in by having Holmes murder someone last show:
In summary ;
"You've murdered someone, now you're for it"
"Look out its Moriarty !!!"
"Oh it can't be Moriarty he's dead"
"You're not in trouble anymore."
It's not genius to throw enough glittery baubles of whackiness in your audiences face that they ignore the fundamental cliffhanger that you originally wrote.
Of course Moff has form in this regard..he over-egged Holmes fake death so much that he knew he could never fulfil expectations so he went for meta.
He's written some exceptional tv but has an unfortunate tendency to write himself into corners that he's not clever enough to get out of.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“I took it as confirming that the third explanation, with what's her name providing a body, was actually the true one. A lot of people were denying that.
We saw Moriarty on TV. So presumably that was a recording that Moriarty prepared before he died, to be released in the event of his death. Perhaps on a dead-man's switch - in other words, perhaps it released automatically unless he did something to postpone it each day.
Anyway, if he'd left behind the recording and the where-withal to get it broadcast, he can have left other timed automated activities, too. Most likely internet-based, like releasing a computer virus, but there could also be physical time-bombs, perhaps releasing a biological virus. Since Moriarty is dead, he doesn't care if he makes the planet unliveable for everyone else. (Although I suspect he'd want some people left alive to remember him.)”
“I took it as confirming that the third explanation, with what's her name providing a body, was actually the true one. A lot of people were denying that.
We saw Moriarty on TV. So presumably that was a recording that Moriarty prepared before he died, to be released in the event of his death. Perhaps on a dead-man's switch - in other words, perhaps it released automatically unless he did something to postpone it each day.
Anyway, if he'd left behind the recording and the where-withal to get it broadcast, he can have left other timed automated activities, too. Most likely internet-based, like releasing a computer virus, but there could also be physical time-bombs, perhaps releasing a biological virus. Since Moriarty is dead, he doesn't care if he makes the planet unliveable for everyone else. (Although I suspect he'd want some people left alive to remember him.)”
So Moriarty is essentially The Master now
Moff does seem to be confusing his tv shows.
Originally Posted by PaperSkin:
“I was just teasing, I couldn't resist, I have a terribly lame mischievous side, sorry.
I expressed the comment about questioning if people were paying attention because I have seen comments about people not understanding things that were clearly explained in the episode.
One talked about not understanding which world was real as it was flipping back and forth between modern day and 1890... its clear at that point in the story that 1890 is in Sherlock head as some advance mind palace reality thing... Only at the end do they do a playful thing that some what un-seriously suggest the modern series is 1890 Sherlock imagining the future. But its clear as day to anyone paying attention to the show and this story that 1890 was in modern day Sherlock's head.
A cheeky suggestion at the end that it wasn't is something other shows have done when characters have gone into a different reality that perceives their normal reality as being fake.. Buffy comes to mind.”
“I was just teasing, I couldn't resist, I have a terribly lame mischievous side, sorry.
I expressed the comment about questioning if people were paying attention because I have seen comments about people not understanding things that were clearly explained in the episode.
One talked about not understanding which world was real as it was flipping back and forth between modern day and 1890... its clear at that point in the story that 1890 is in Sherlock head as some advance mind palace reality thing... Only at the end do they do a playful thing that some what un-seriously suggest the modern series is 1890 Sherlock imagining the future. But its clear as day to anyone paying attention to the show and this story that 1890 was in modern day Sherlock's head.
A cheeky suggestion at the end that it wasn't is something other shows have done when characters have gone into a different reality that perceives their normal reality as being fake.. Buffy comes to mind.”
But most British people don't watch Buffy.
Originally Posted by Dragonic:
“Can I just get a Sherlock that has a mystery without all the typical Moffat nonsense, the first 2 series of the show I really enjoyed, but since the start of series 3 the episodes have been filled with such rubbish and self indulgence that it's really putting me off the show.
It's getting to the point where i'm starting to despise the Sherlock character TBH
Was really looking forward to it too with it being set in the Victorian times too :/”
“Can I just get a Sherlock that has a mystery without all the typical Moffat nonsense, the first 2 series of the show I really enjoyed, but since the start of series 3 the episodes have been filled with such rubbish and self indulgence that it's really putting me off the show.
It's getting to the point where i'm starting to despise the Sherlock character TBH
Was really looking forward to it too with it being set in the Victorian times too :/”
I feel the same, except I wasn't really looking forward to a Victorian episode because I couldn't see how they'd make it work.
I thought the concept of putting Sherlock in a modern setting and reworking the original cases was a really good one, but by the last series I just felt like it reeked of the show writers and creators wanting to show how very much more clever they are than anyone watching! There are a lot of other issues I have with it now too, which I won't rattle on about but I just don't enjoy watching anymore (others in my household do though so it's clearly just that I'm not in the target audience, I think
)
Originally Posted by divingbboy:
“That was basically the TV equivalent of post-OK Computer era Radiohead. That's not a compliment, in case you were wondering.”
“That was basically the TV equivalent of post-OK Computer era Radiohead. That's not a compliment, in case you were wondering.”
Please don't compare any-era Radiohead to this rubbish.
And yes, as others have said, please for the love of God get rid of Mary. I know she's married to Watson but how much longer is she going to interfere with the plot?
Originally Posted by Semierotic:
“Please don't compare any-era Radiohead to this rubbish.
And yes, as others have said, please for the love of God get rid of Mary. I know she's married to Watson but how much longer is she going to interfere with the plot?”
“Please don't compare any-era Radiohead to this rubbish.
And yes, as others have said, please for the love of God get rid of Mary. I know she's married to Watson but how much longer is she going to interfere with the plot?”
Not much chance of that. I'm sure Mrs Martin Freeman's employment is a key factor in Mr Martin Freeman's continued availability to shoot more episodes...
Originally Posted by Fraxis:
“Not much chance of that. I'm sure Mrs Martin Freeman's employment is a key factor in Mr Martin Freeman's continued availability to shoot more episodes...”
“Not much chance of that. I'm sure Mrs Martin Freeman's employment is a key factor in Mr Martin Freeman's continued availability to shoot more episodes...”
Meanwhile, in real life ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38404463
Originally Posted by callumfreeman:
“Anyone looking forward to the new series?”
“Anyone looking forward to the new series?”
I am big time. I think we are going to get some fantastic paybacks in this series. Looks like they could be the last 3 for a while. 7 more sleeps till Sherlock!
Originally Posted by Fraxis:
“Not much chance of that. I'm sure Mrs Martin Freeman's employment is a key factor in Mr Martin Freeman's continued availability to shoot more episodes...”
“Not much chance of that. I'm sure Mrs Martin Freeman's employment is a key factor in Mr Martin Freeman's continued availability to shoot more episodes...”
Well not relevant now!
Originally Posted by callumfreeman:
“It is likely Mary will die this series anyway. The trailers seem to indicate that
”
“It is likely Mary will die this series anyway. The trailers seem to indicate that
Spoiler
Not much point sticking that in a spoiler it's been mentioned in interviews on BBC breakfast last weekend and reposted online.
Mary, mary quite contrary. She's definitely getting her marching orders.
Originally Posted by callumfreeman:
“Anyone looking forward to the new series?”
“Anyone looking forward to the new series?”
Will still tune in, and would imagine it'll be guaranteed the usual 10-12m, but between the underwhelming first two episodes of series three and the New Year special, Moffatt and Gatiss have their work cut out to restore it to the former A1 standards!
Originally Posted by fayebeatle:
“Not much point sticking that in a spoiler it's been mentioned in interviews on BBC breakfast last weekend and reposted online.
Mary, mary quite contrary. She's definitely getting her marching orders.”
“Not much point sticking that in a spoiler it's been mentioned in interviews on BBC breakfast last weekend and reposted online.
Mary, mary quite contrary. She's definitely getting her marching orders.”
Yes, but it's hardly the first of the spoilers. She dies in the original stories some time before the Adventure of the Norwood Builder.
Originally Posted by fayebeatle:
“Not much point sticking that in a spoiler it's been mentioned in interviews on BBC breakfast last weekend and reposted online.
Mary, mary quite contrary. She's definitely getting her marching orders.”
“Not much point sticking that in a spoiler it's been mentioned in interviews on BBC breakfast last weekend and reposted online.
Mary, mary quite contrary. She's definitely getting her marching orders.”
I wouldn't know as I haven't been paying attention to the interviews. Plus I don't want someone moaning because I haven't added spoiler tags.
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