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DS Soap Court of Justice: on trial EP B Kirkwood
Due to to those loyal Hollyoak fans that have been complaining... I call EP Bryan Kirkwood to the DS Soap Court of Justice for crimes against SOAPS currently and in the past.
What crimes has he commited. If he has what should his punishment be? Or has he any defense? Discuss... |
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I think his lost his way & vision on how HO works and perhaps its time to let someone else have a go.
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*Clears throat*
*Stands* Your honour, if I may, I think Mr B Kirkwood should never be allowed to be an EP for any soap ever again. His work on EE was absolutely abysmal. Character development was largely thrown out the window, storylines were as contrived as they came and continuity suffered greatly. Many of his storylines and the characters he introduced were largely panned by DS...and as this is a DS trial we shall focus on the reactions on here rather than look to the web for reactions. I shall now let the Hollyoaks prosecution make their statement. |
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If its genuinely true what Barbara Windsor claimed regarding Pam St Clement asking for a break only for her to then be told Pat would be killed off. That has to rank as one of the worst decisions a soap producer has ever committed.
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If its genuinely true what Barbara Windsor claimed regarding Pam St Clement asking for a break only to then be told Pat would be killed off then that has to rank as one of the worst decisions a soap producer has ever committed.
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Another good point. Constantly taking out his personal gripes with actors (Pam St Clements, Devon what's-his-face and Cheryl Ferguson) on the characters they played was another reason to prevent him from being able to continue taking up the post of EP at any soap.
I always thought axing Heather was stupid but it may not have been Kirkwood's decision. It could have been higher up. |
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I don't watch HO but I hate what he did to EastEnders.
It's because of him the show got in the state that it did. He gave us awful token characters like the Moon Brothers and Derek. He gave us equally awful plots like the boxing story, who's the shagger? and endless love triangles and affairs. I'll also hold a grudge for him making my favourite couple (Chryed) mere extras and assasinated Syed just before his exit. Kirkwood has his chosen favourites but even them I felt sorry for. Apart from maybe Janine, he couldn't get characterisation right at all. With Kirkwood I felt that everything with him was a statement. He didn't really care about the show or the characters. He just wanted to fuel his own ego and make a stamp on the show. The Goon brothers and Derek for example were blatent statement characters. They were not there to move the show forward or to engage the audience. |
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Another good point. Constantly taking out his personal gripes with actors (Pam St Clements, Devon what's-his-face and Cheryl Ferguson) on the characters they played was another reason to prevent him from being able to continue taking up the post of EP at any soap.
What he did to Devon Anderson was beyond shitty, axed him from HO then killed him off EE to make sure he couldn't come back and then recast the role his originally played on HO with some else. And getting rid of Melissa Suffield was a big mistake and killing off Pat was sacrilege in soap terms. looking at it makes him look so unprofessional and petty. |
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Now you mention Heather. Unless I'm mistaken Cheryl said on Big Brother the BBC sacked her because of an interview she gave to a newspaper. Seems extreme as I can't recall any big scandal with her off screen can you?
I always thought axing Heather was stupid but it may not have been Kirkwood's decision. It could have been higher up. When Kirkwood has an issue with you, expect to receive your P45 and a script detailing how your character dies. Quote:
I don't watch HO but I hate what he did to EastEnders.
It's because of him the show got in the state that it did. He gave us awful token characters like the Moon Brothers and Derek. He gave us equally awful plots like the boxing story, who's the shagger? and endless love triangles and affairs. I'll also hold a grudge for him making my favourite couple (Chryed) mere extras and assasinated Syed just before his exit. Kirkwood has his chosen favourites but even them I felt sorry for. Apart from maybe Janine, he couldn't get characterisation right at all. With Kirkwood I felt that everything with him was a statement. He didn't really care about the show or the characters. He just wanted to fuel his own ego and make a stamp on the show. The Goon brothers and Derek for example were blatent statement characters. They were not there to move the show forward or to engage the audience. |
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Shouts from the gallery **MURDERERRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!**
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I agree with this.
What he did to Devon Anderson was beyond shitty, axed him from HO then killed him off EE to make sure he couldn't come back and then recast the role his originally played on HO with some else. And getting rid of Melissa Suffield was a big mistake and killing off Pat was sacrilege in soap terms. looking at it makes him look so unprofessional and petty. |
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Shouts from the gallery **MURDERERRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!**
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May I offer the following as evidence for the prosecution, your honour?
The Clare/Mercedes/Doc Browning mad dogs panto The Underwhelming Return of St John Paul the Martyr Mitzeee's taxi exit Jacqui's Trevor-related exit (see below) Myra's fake death exit Total ammnesia about Sinead and Ruby being Insufferable Bitches Will Savage Nana McQueen The Roscoes and their Godawful Cockerney Garage Putting Ste and Ruddy Doug back together Vincent Trevor and Assorted Rubbish Gangsters Making Darren a prick Hollyoaks Later 2013(in total) Writing Out the Wonderful Martha. I rest my case. |
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He has committed extremely serious crimes such as character assassinations and has destroyed personalities
He should hang for these treasonous crimes ![]()
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current agreements against:
*Character development annihilated *Disrespect for actors *Using stupid shocks and twists and dragging stories *Over use of certain character *Underused of others *Literally random and anticlimatic drama |
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He needs to serve a term of 10 years for personal vendettas alone
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Kirkwood is the Grim Reaper. He gets some sort of weird pleasure from killing off characters I swear
. I've lost count of how many he's killed on Hollyoaks.
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This ridiculous male rape storyline in Hollyoaks!
Can we put Lorraine Newman in the dock with him, if for nothing else, creating the Hartmans in EastEnders? |
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I enjoyed his first stint at Hollyoaks but he ironically he himself appears to have had a personality transplant
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I enjoyed his first stint at Hollyoaks but he ironically he himself appears to have had a personality transplant
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Agreed. His first stint is what got me hooked on HO in the first place. And I'll always like him for creating the legend that is Warren Fox - the true King of Hollyoaks.
![]() Him and Brendan are my 2 favourite HO characters of all time. |
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I was actually of fan of Kirkwood's first stint at Hollyoaks. But he was an unmitigated disaster at EastEnders and drove the show into the ground.
A long lost of failures during his time: -Responsible for personality transplants of virtually every character on the Square -Literally destroying the Vic and then turning it into some leopard print, tacky mess. -The baby swap storyline -Derek, the Moon brothers, Joey, and all his other flop characters that dominated the screen despite being incredibly unpopular. -Breaking up every single married couple in the show through affairs -The hiring of actors for their looks rather than acting ability. -retcon after retcon - ie trying to make us believe that Pat Butcher would run scared of Derek Branning, and that David Wicks and Carol were love's young dream. -His delusions of grandeur, saying on record that Tyler and Whitney were 'the new Kat and Alfie' and that Lucy and Joey were 'the new Sharon and Grant'. He also believed Tyler and Anthony would be the new Mitchell brothers. -The Tanya/Max affair -Trying to make us forget Tanya's disgusting behaviour by inventing the worst cancer story in the history of soap. -Destroying the show's moral compass by portraying characters like Ben, Kat, Stacey and Whitney in a sympathetic light despite their awful behaviour. -The decision to kill Pat off. And the subsequent decision to incorporate the Brannings into her final episode -Decimating the show's original family (the Beales) while shoving the Brannings to the forefront of everything, to the extent that they were involved in every single storyline. And to top it all, the most horrendous, vile, disgusting storyline the show has ever produced: Who's shagging Kat? As a previous poster said, Kirkwood didn't care about the show. It was all about his ego, and attempting to remake EastEnders in his own mould. And he left lasting damage, some which will never be repaired. |
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Just kill the tosser.
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Completely agree TK. I adored Warren.
Him and Brendan are my 2 favourite HO characters of all time. |
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I was actually of fan of Kirkwood's first stint at Hollyoaks. But he was an unmitigated disaster at EastEnders and drove the show into the ground.
A long lost of failures during his time: -Responsible for personality transplants of virtually every character on the Square -Literally destroying the Vic and then turning it into some leopard print, tacky mess. -The baby swap storyline -Derek, the Moon brothers, Joey, and all his other flop characters that dominated the screen despite being incredibly unpopular. -Breaking up every single married couple in the show through affairs -The hiring of actors for their looks rather than acting ability. -retcon after retcon - ie trying to make us believe that Pat Butcher would run scared of Derek Branning, and that David Wicks and Carol were love's young dream. -His delusions of grandeur, saying on record that Tyler and Whitney were 'the new Kat and Alfie' and that Lucy and Joey were 'the new Sharon and Grant'. He also believed Tyler and Anthony would be the new Mitchell brothers. -The Tanya/Max affair -Trying to make us forget Tanya's disgusting behaviour by inventing the worst cancer story in the history of soap. -Destroying the show's moral compass by portraying characters like Ben, Kat, Stacey and Whitney in a sympathetic light despite their awful behaviour. -The decision to kill Pat off. And the subsequent decision to incorporate the Brannings into her final episode -Decimating the show's original family (the Beales) while shoving the Brannings to the forefront of everything, to the extent that they were involved in every single storyline. And to top it all, the most horrendous, vile, disgusting storyline the show has ever produced: Who's shagging Kat? As a previous poster said, Kirkwood didn't care about the show. It was all about his ego, and attempting to remake EastEnders in his own mould. And he left lasting damage, some which will never be repaired. Tyler & Whitney: New Kat and Alfie Lucy & Joey: Grant and Sharon Tyler & Anthony: New Mitchell Brothers BK is really deluded then Anthony and Tyler (especially Anthony) are dull as ditchwater and they have no charisma at all, other than show off their bodies. Well that's what LN wanted them to be made out to be after taking over.
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