and none of them have even noticed yet. I have no feelings about her one way or the other, but I must admit she is an interesting h/m. She sits there, loads the gun and lets other pull the trigger. Then she sits back and watches the fun.

She sure is ,she manipulated a few of the situations regarding the love triangle.

Not at all. She sits there and watches people load their own guns and then continues to watch them shoot themselves.

She's smart, level-headed and one of the only sane ones in there.

So you haven't noticed her stirring - ok

Her voice gets on my last nerve. She stinks of desperation .

Luisa's being honest but not wanting to get too involved but does when she needs to.

How is she a trouble maker? Rubbish!

Of course not, she just sticks her beak in, creates bother, sits back and no one has cottoned on to her as yet.

Are you joking here? I don't think that Luisa is smart, level-headed in anyway at all and most definitely not sane!

She is the biggest stirrer in the house and has a right mouth on her and is also totally two faced as well. She was fine to Lindas face but then slagged her off behind her back to Jim.

She also caused trouble with Jasmine about Lee and Casey, saying that they were only faking their romance for the cameras to stay in the house but then started snogging Jasmine in the bath herself!

I think that Luisa is a right sneak!

No I'm not joking. Luisa was comforting Jim, with many others present. If she wanted to bitch about Linda, she wouldn't say it so openly. If you remember, when Linda called Luisa a bitch she hit back at her and argued her case. "If you don't like me, f*** off" was her closing statement and although she may have not been telling Linda to f*** off personally, she said it in a general sense which was no doubt a warning to Linda also.

Luisa is a girl simply looking for a good time in the house, so of course she accepted the dare of kissing Jasmine. It was all part of a truth-or-dare game that Dappy manipulated to get some lesbian action.

There's nothing malicious about Luisa's behaviour so far.

Her voice gets on my nerves, well the baby one that she does. Apart from that she can stay

After all the hoopla of the fake eviction, Big Brother got down to the serious business of the real deal. No, not The Real Deal, we mean the real first eviction. Jim saw sense and suggested another couple of pre-nomination drinks and nobody disagreed. Over in the Bolt Hole, Casey and Lee watched on with great interest, plus several other emotions ranging from floods of tears to uncontrollable giggling.

Evander went first, having coolly declared that no messing, he was here to win. The only problem here was that Evander’s still mastering the small matter of people’s names. Not ideal for an eviction vote.

Linda followed, all smiles despite the fact that the nomination process is meant to be stressful and upsetting. Back in the house, suspicion started to take hold. Luisa told Jim that Dappy had claimed that everyone had agreed on who to nominate. Did Dappy really say that or was Luisa winding people up?! You never know who to trust in the Celebrity Big Brother House. Jim, meanwhile, turned on the charm, telling Liz she had a smile that lit up the room. Mind you, he also claimed the only reason he’s not a brain surgeon is that he’s not tall enough.

Sam was next to nominate, and at last we had someone looking genuinely upset to be choosing someone to evict. Dappy followed, treating us to his Very Thoughtful, Very Serious face.

And with that, Big Brother allowed them a break. We’ll have the exclusive news on who faces eviction tomorrow morning. Watch this space, as they say.

that incident wasn't a warning to Linda at all - why would she be warning Linda ? who's old enough to be near enough her granny and no threat to Luisa in any shape or form in the house - Luisa hadn't directed the @if you don't like me f off@ comment at Linda anyway as you seem to have realised , but Luisa wasn't warning Linda to be wary of her of something, think you've misread this.

And Luisas admitted having relationships with woman , and she's bi - she kissed Jasmine as that wasn't an issue for her ! think she'd have done that even if they'd not been a truth or dare game ! I don't think Dappy manipulated that situation, - Manipulate Luisa ?? c'mon , as if !!! like to see him try !

Odette - I really can't understand why you get so passionate about a reality show. It is a game, and as far as I can see you are played by Luisa's persona. As for the Linda/Luisa situation that you are quoting - it does not show Luisa in that good a light. Then again if that is the kind of person you admire - what can I say. I can't take CBB or BB that personally, a bit of perspective is needed. These people you defend so passionately haven't got a clue who you are.

I make no qualms about Luisa having the intelligence and personality and social awareness to manipulate things should she see fit. It's a reality tv game show where every contestant has by and large gone in to make some money/ raise their profile etc. To date she hasn't done this in BB IMO.

Where this gets odd is that I actually agree with the OP's last comment on people getting 'far too passionate' (although not Odette) as for me this is far more applicable when I see posters almost desperate to put a negative spin on anything she does. That to me is far far more 'passionate' and some might even say desperate.

She was excellent when dealing with Evander and him starting his homophobic view chat, she was the only one we've seen telling Lee not to be such an obnoxious, thoughtless fool re the Casey/ Jasmine situation and she's shown both Linda and Liz that she won't put up with any nonsense

I find that incredibly refreshing and she is the best housemate in there by a mile for me.

(and yes, before anyone asks I'm a huge fan of the Apprentice so am fully aware of her supposed 'form' on that show too).

I wouldn't trust Luisa as far as I can throw her. She's pretty calculated imo and thinks she's already got the game sewn up and the people all sussed out.

She's also a bit too confrontational with no tact at all. Wants to be head honcho. That said though, there's others who've added nothing so far that I'd rather see go before her.

So because I'm defending Luisa and not spouting that she's some manipulative witch, I'm being overly passionate? I simply disagree with some view points, nothing more. I'm an avid BB fan and I enjoy analysing the different housemates. What's so wrong about that?

Perhaps you don't like the fact that I argue my case for Luisa so strongly, I don't know.

Oh, and as for this...


There's no need to say anything, I really don't care for your opinion.

opinion is the point - you've made yours., and not everyone is going to agree, and it's not that others think you have argued your case strongly, - it's because they don't agree with you !

You really go out of your way to try and wind me up don't you?

My issue wasn't with Oldnbold's opinion on Luisa, my issue was them suggesting that I'm passionate about Big Brother on a forum dedicated to guess what, Big Brother. It's a really random and quite ridiculous thing to say.

I completely agree. Luisa is manipulative, devious and has the biggest wooden spoon ever!

She is aware that she has to be seen in a certain light hence the 'warnings' to other housemates when they broach subjects that could be seen as confrontational. It is only to show herself up as 'respectable'...and then she slips up and decides that a potty mouth and disrespectful and vulgar comments will buy her votes?

Luisa is a clever girl, she thinks others can't see her for who she really is....smoke and mirrors...but I see her clear as day. Would I trust her? Never. Would I want her to be my friend? No thanks.

I have known people like her and never liked them either! She has a young daughter for goodness sake (I include Dappy and Lee have too) and anyone with kids should not be behaving like they are! My
kids would never forgive me!! The shame of it!

But hey that's just my opinion!

think you've just about covered everything - spot on, see right through her, and I don't think it fair on her child, (who's not that young, she's just past primary school age I think), to snog Jasmine in a bath,

the poor kid has to go to school and face other kids and who will have had sight of front page of the tabloids !! think she's selfish

Of course Luisa is a trouble maker. Amongst other things.

I've noticed this - it's fantastic because in a slightly more reserved series, she'd stick out like a sore thumb. For now she's a storyline bubbling underneath the surface. Noms should be interesting.

,,,,,,,aaaand she is slowly picking off the girls one by one
not smart, just manipulative , not an attractive trait. BB has one every year

That seems like a fair assessment.