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Favourite Moffat Episodes
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finn946
13-01-2014
looking at all of these posts, it's good to know that Moffat has contributed massively with some really amazing episodes.

He does get a lot of stick from certain people but in my eyes - as seen in his Sherlock episodes as well - he's one of the best, most inventive writers in the nation today, and we are lucky to have him
Tom Tit
14-01-2014
As much as I like to make insightful, thoughtful and condescending posts, I also cannot resists lists :P Of course, it's slightly arbitrary, so rather than just doing a definitive ranking I have imitated others above and bracketed them into tiers. Then the specific order within those tiers can be seen as changeable.

The top tier are what I consider stone wall classics, amongst the finest Doctor Who stories. The second tier are Moffat firing on all cylinders. The third tier are average stories, relative to Steven Moffat's standard (which is very good Who for anyone else), where he wasn't quite at his best, and the final tier is stories I felt that missed their mark and weren't quite worthy of Moffat.


The Name of the Doctor
The Eleventh Hour
Blink
The Time of Angels
The Empty Child
Asylum of the Daleks
The Time of the Doctor

A Christmas Carol
Let's Kill Hitler
Silence in the Library
The Impossible Astronaut
The Pandorica Opens

The Snowmen
The Wedding of River Song
The Girl in the Fireplace
The Bells of St John
The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe

The Angels take Manhatten (never rewatched this one so it's not been evaluated as thoroughly as the other episodes in this list)
The Day of the Doctor
The Beast Below
A good Man Goes to War
The Gatherer
14-01-2014
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“As much as I like to make insightful, thoughtful and condescending posts, I also cannot resists lists :P Of course, it's slightly arbitrary, so rather than just doing a definitive ranking I have imitated others above and bracketed them into tiers. Then the specific order within those tiers can be seen as changeable.

The top tier are what I consider stone wall classics, amongst the finest Doctor Who stories. The second tier are Moffat firing on all cylinders. The third tier are average stories, relative to Steven Moffat's standard (which is very good Who for anyone else), where he wasn't quite at his best, and the final tier is stories I felt that missed their mark and weren't quite worthy of Moffat.


The Name of the Doctor
The Eleventh Hour
Blink
The Time of Angels
The Empty Child
Asylum of the Daleks
The Time of the Doctor

A Christmas Carol
Let's Kill Hitler
Silence in the Library
The Impossible Astronaut
The Pandorica Opens

The Snowmen
The Wedding of River Song
The Girl in the Fireplace
The Bells of St John
The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe

The Angels take Manhatten (never rewatched this one so it's not been evaluated as thoroughly as the other episodes in this list)
The Day of the Doctor
The Beast Below
A good Man Goes to War”

Certainly disagree that average Moffat is very good for anyone else, I would put that the other way round, but disregarding that and not going into detail about your list I am completely shocked that anyone can bracket The Doctor, The Widow etc with The Girl in the Fireplace. For me the latter is one of the greatest episodes of Who ever, whilst the former, to put it bluntly, is utter shite. But do agree with your bottom two, although, again, for me Day is one of the best things he's written since he took over as showrunner.
Tom Tit
14-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Certainly disagree that average Moffat is very good for anyone else, I would put that the other way round, but disregarding that and not going into detail about your list I am completely shocked that anyone can bracket The Doctor, The Widow etc with The Girl in the Fireplace. For me the latter is one of the greatest episodes of Who ever, whilst the former, to put it bluntly, is utter shite. But do agree with your bottom two, although, again, for me Day is one of the best things he's written since he took over as showrunner.”


Very good Moffat is average for anyone else? I think that's a plain silly thing to say, but fair enough, we all have our own opinions. I presume you don't like his writing, which is your perogative. I regard only Robert Holmes as being a challenge to him as Who's greatest writer.

I don't want to put words into your mouth, but would 'Day' being one of his best stories for you have anything to do with how many elements from the former era (eg. the RTD one) there are in it? I say that as I'm getting the impression his era (and presumably his approach to Doctor Who) is not your cup of tea. Again, that's your perogative, but I attempted to be a little more objective with my list. It doesn't necessarily reflect which are my personal favourites to watch and rewatch, but an attempt to assess each story on its merits.

'The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe', for example, offended many fans with it tone and alleged over-sentimentality but I thought it was an imaginative episode, with good ideas, tonally appropriate for its intended mass Christmas day audience, and had some of the most humorous scenes he has written for Doctor Who, giving Matt Smith very good material to work with in the context of the way he performs the character, which is what a good, professional script writer would do (I've seen other popular authors fail to do that. For example, Neil Gaiman left Matt Smith exposed and out of his depth with the Cyber Planner scenes in 'Nightmare in Silver', which is a terrible thing to do to your leading man. Toby Whithouse frequently writes melodramatic and physically angry scenes for the Doctor, which I also don't feel fits Matt Smith's portrayal). Sure, it doesn't stand out or thrill me, which is why I rated it in the relatively average bracket but is it a bad script? Hell no, that's bias, and I couldn't be persuaded otherwise. It's not one I'm likely to want to rewatch very often for sure, but that doesn't make it bad.

It should be noted, I also rate Love & Monsters, Delta and the Bannermen and numerous other often-reviled stories. I'm not someone who values a rigorous adherance to a perceived 'correct' way to do the show or thinks the show should only be one tone and style. That's a little perspective on where I come from.

Of course at the end of the day, taste inevitably comes into critical judgement and that is not something that can ever achieve unanimity.
Whovian1109
14-01-2014
Right, I have done this in my head before, give me a minute. Starting with his showrunner episodes, as most of them are superior in my mind to not only all his other episodes but only Utopia and Doomsday of any other writer can break the top 15 if I'm honest. i have added in the others as an after thought.

10/10s:
1. Day of the Doctor
2. Asylum of the Daleks
3. Name of the Doctor
4. Time of the Doctor
5. The Pandorica Opens
6. The Impossible Astronaut
7. The Eleventh Hour

9/10s:
8. The Big Bang
9. Day of the Moon
10. The Angels Take Manhattan
11. The Wedding of River Song
12. Flesh and Stone
13. The Time of Angels
14. Forest of the Dead
15. The Snowmen
16. Let's Kill Hitler
17. Silence in the Library

8/10s:
18. The Bells of Saint John
19. A Christmas Carol
20. Blink
21. The Doctor Dances
22. The Empty Child
23. The Girl in the Fireplace
24. The Beast Below

7/10s:
25. A Good Man Goes To War

6/10s:
26. The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe

I've been super generous to the Moff here but I don't care, as in a list of my top 20 Who episodes since the reboot, I unashamedly claim that the top 15 on this list would probably make it, alongside Hide, Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS, Utopia, Doomsday and The Parting of the Ways. It was a really tough decision that I spent a long time over one night because I'm cool but I absolutely love everything down to Let's Kill Hitler and even below that, only A Good Man Goes To War and the Christmas special that shall not be named are episodes I don't really really like. I take pride in the fact that most of the episodes on this list are among my favourite episodes of anything I've ever seen on television.
Last edited by Whovian1109 : 14-01-2014 at 01:51
Tom Tit
14-01-2014
I'm surprised to see such a low regard for 'A Good Man Goes to War' on this thread so far. Although I don't disagree, and it is bottom of my own personal list, my impression was that the episode was generally liked and well regarded. Is it unpopular only in the context of Moffat's very high general standard or on a more absolute level? To be honest, if it is one of Moffat's bottom two stories (and I agree it is) then it just goes to show how lucky the show has been to have a writer who can be so brilliantly consistent because, in all honesty, it's on a par with the greater percentage of Doctor Who stories by other writers.
Abomination
14-01-2014
I do love me a list Here's my favourite to least-favourite list of his stories. I've paired up his two-part propers as they're fairly consistent - the Anniversary Specials and AGMGTW/LKH are not paired together.

MY FAVOURITE MOFFAT STORIES
- The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances
- A Christmas Carol
- Asylum of the Daleks
- The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
- Blink

VERY GOOD MOFFAT STORIES
- Let's Kill Hitler
- The Angels Take Manhattan
- The Beast Below
- The Eleventh Hour
- Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead

GOOD MOFFAT STORIES
- The Time of the Doctor
- The Name of the Doctor
- The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
- The Girl in the Fireplace

AVERAGE/MEDIOCRE MOFFAT STORIES
- The Snowmen
- The Day of the Doctor
- The Wedding of River Song
- The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon

POOR MOFFAT STORIES
- The Bells of Saint John
- A Good Man Goes to War
- The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe
The Gatherer
14-01-2014
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Very good Moffat is average for anyone else? I think that's a plain silly thing to say, but fair enough, we all have our own opinions. I presume you don't like his writing, which is your perogative. I regard only Robert Holmes as being a challenge to him as Who's greatest writer.

I don't want to put words into your mouth, but would 'Day' being one of his best stories for you have anything to do with how many elements from the former era (eg. the RTD one) there are in it? I say that as I'm getting the impression his era (and presumably his approach to Doctor Who) is not your cup of tea. Again, that's your perogative, but I attempted to be a little more objective with my list. It doesn't necessarily reflect which are my personal favourites to watch and rewatch, but an attempt to assess each story on its merits.

'The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe', for example, offended many fans with it tone and alleged over-sentimentality but I thought it was an imaginative episode, with good ideas, tonally appropriate for its intended mass Christmas day audience, and had some of the most humorous scenes he has written for Doctor Who, giving Matt Smith very good material to work with in the context of the way he performs the character, which is what a good, professional script writer would do (I've seen other popular authors fail to do that. For example, Neil Gaiman left Matt Smith exposed and out of his depth with the Cyber Planner scenes in 'Nightmare in Silver', which is a terrible thing to do to your leading man. Toby Whithouse frequently writes melodramatic and physically angry scenes for the Doctor, which I also don't feel fits Matt Smith's portrayal). Sure, it doesn't stand out or thrill me, which is why I rated it in the relatively average bracket but is it a bad script? Hell no, that's bias, and I couldn't be persuaded otherwise. It's not one I'm likely to want to rewatch very often for sure, but that doesn't make it bad.

It should be noted, I also rate Love & Monsters, Delta and the Bannermen and numerous other often-reviled stories. I'm not someone who values a rigorous adherance to a perceived 'correct' way to do the show or thinks the show should only be one tone and style. That's a little perspective on where I come from.

Of course at the end of the day, taste inevitably comes into critical judgement and that is not something that can ever achieve unanimity.”

No it wouldn't.

I agree with you about L&M and Delta.
The Gatherer
14-01-2014
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“I'm surprised to see such a low regard for 'A Good Man Goes to War' on this thread so far. Although I don't disagree, and it is bottom of my own personal list, my impression was that the episode was generally liked and well regarded. Is it unpopular only in the context of Moffat's very high general standard or on a more absolute level? To be honest, if it is one of Moffat's bottom two stories (and I agree it is) then it just goes to show how lucky the show has been to have a writer who can be so brilliantly consistent because, in all honesty, it's on a par with the greater percentage of Doctor Who stories by other writers.”

Completely disagree with this as well. Good Moffat is way out near the top of Doctor Who, but bad Moffat is by the same token amongst the worst Doctor Who ever. I would submit that there has been more bad Moffat than good unfortunately.
bokonon
14-01-2014
Originally Posted by finn946:
“looking at all of these posts, it's good to know that Moffat has contributed massively with some really amazing episodes.

He does get a lot of stick from certain people but in my eyes - as seen in his Sherlock episodes as well - he's one of the best, most inventive writers in the nation today, and we are lucky to have him”

Couldn't agree more. His key qualities are that he understands both Who history and the requirements of modern television. His critics tend to major on one or the other but fail to appreciate that both are essential.
CAMERA OBSCURA
14-01-2014
The scenes between the Doctor and Clara in the later half of Asylum of The Daleks are absolutely stunning. A Wonderful jaw dropping twist, gorgeous dialogue and pitch perfect acting by both Matt Smith and JLC.
The_Judge_
14-01-2014
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“I'm surprised to see such a low regard for 'A Good Man Goes to War' on this thread so far. Although I don't disagree, and it is bottom of my own personal list, my impression was that the episode was generally liked and well regarded. Is it unpopular only in the context of Moffat's very high general standard or on a more absolute level? To be honest, if it is one of Moffat's bottom two stories (and I agree it is) then it just goes to show how lucky the show has been to have a writer who can be so brilliantly consistent because, in all honesty, it's on a par with the greater percentage of Doctor Who stories by other writers.”

I am clearly one of the minority then, I loved it
The_Judge_
14-01-2014
Having just re-watched Asylum of the Daleks, and also recently having watched many of William Hartnell's episodes for the first time, I never quite got the significance of these scenes till now:

http://bit.ly/1fuRmEe

http://bit.ly/1fuQX4D

Quite a decent nod to the past if it was intentional
Puca
14-01-2014
Why does everyone seem to not like the Doctor, The widow and the Wardrobe? I thought it was great and on a par with all the other Christmas specials...
Shoppy
14-01-2014
All of them ...

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1930691
Rozes
14-01-2014
Loved all of his stories during the RTD era. Thought they were all superb.Don't think he's ever hit those heights whilst being the show runner although there has been some very good attempts (Name of the Doctor, Asylum, Impossible Astronaut & Angels take Manhattan). Never thought much of any of the Christmas specials including Time of the Doctor.
Abomination
14-01-2014
Originally Posted by Puca:
“Why does everyone seem to not like the Doctor, The widow and the Wardrobe? I thought it was great and on a par with all the other Christmas specials...”

I just found it especially dull, even to look at in places. Bill Bailey was totally wasted as a guest star, I didn't care much for the story at all, the references to the C.S.Lewis book are so wedged in it beggars belief, I didn't much care for the characters and The Doctor himself seemed very out of character in places, and I had a lot of other small issues too.

I hated how The Wedding of River Song pointed out in its final moments that the Doctor had become "too noisy" and that he had to take a step back into the shadows, and then this episode immediately followed that up with an exploding spaceship above 40's Earth in its opening scene, that to add insult to injury wasn't even relevant to the story of the episode.

I thought the final scene with Amy was probably my favourite, and it says a lot that the final thirty seconds or so can totally trump everything that's come before it. Most Christmas specials are clearly linked to the episodes that came before them, or offer the first hints at what is to come in the series ahead - TDTWATW felt totally disconnected and irrelevant to both Series 6 and Series 7, and it was a sore point at which to leave the show for the best part of eight months before Asylum of the Daleks. Out of all 104 episodes of NuWho, I find this one the hardest to compliment of all. It's probably the only one out of ALL of them (and there's been a fair few clunkers now) I would switch off if I happened to notice it on.

Just my personal opinion, but The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe doesn't just rank as the weakest Christmas Special of Doctor Who (I was amazed they managed worse than The End of Time: Part One) it ranks as its weakest episode to date.
Joe_Zel
14-01-2014
I loved The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon (shame that the arc which followed was rubbish) and The Angels Take Manhattan.

The Girl in the Fireplace, The Name/Day/Time of the Doctor were all ok.

The rest I'm either not fussed on or were terrible.
Whovian1109
15-01-2014
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“I just found it especially dull, even to look at in places. Bill Bailey was totally wasted as a guest star, I didn't care much for the story at all, the references to the C.S.Lewis book are so wedged in it beggars belief, I didn't much care for the characters and The Doctor himself seemed very out of character in places, and I had a lot of other small issues too.

I hated how The Wedding of River Song pointed out in its final moments that the Doctor had become "too noisy" and that he had to take a step back into the shadows, and then this episode immediately followed that up with an exploding spaceship above 40's Earth in its opening scene, that to add insult to injury wasn't even relevant to the story of the episode.

I thought the final scene with Amy was probably my favourite, and it says a lot that the final thirty seconds or so can totally trump everything that's come before it. Most Christmas specials are clearly linked to the episodes that came before them, or offer the first hints at what is to come in the series ahead - TDTWATW felt totally disconnected and irrelevant to both Series 6 and Series 7, and it was a sore point at which to leave the show for the best part of eight months before Asylum of the Daleks. Out of all 104 episodes of NuWho, I find this one the hardest to compliment of all. It's probably the only one out of ALL of them (and there's been a fair few clunkers now) I would switch off if I happened to notice it on.

Just my personal opinion, but The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe doesn't just rank as the weakest Christmas Special of Doctor Who (I was amazed they managed worse than The End of Time: Part One) it ranks as its weakest episode to date.”

This.
Tom Tit
15-01-2014
Originally Posted by The Gatherer:
“Completely disagree with this as well. Good Moffat is way out near the top of Doctor Who, but bad Moffat is by the same token amongst the worst Doctor Who ever. I would submit that there has been more bad Moffat than good unfortunately.”

Which I think is just plain silly. But I don' expect either of us will make any headway arguing that point I'm not likely to stop liking Moffat's work and you're not likely to be persuaded on him.


Originally Posted by Abomination:
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Just my personal opinion, but The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe doesn't just rank as the weakest Christmas Special of Doctor Who (I was amazed they managed worse than The End of Time: Part One) it ranks as its weakest episode to date.”

Honestly, there's far too much dross to pick just one.When Doctor Who is bad it can sometimes be horrid.
saladfingers81
15-01-2014
Opinions eh?!
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