Pity really. It probably wouldn't have run to the second edition if they did.

Amen to that.

Is the bible about respecting the planet ? Does God require your belief to exist ?.

It's not about you ... Believe it or not if you or I should pass tomorrow all things will continue to go on.. So you should stop for a bit, stop listening to the hype and do some inward reflection. Stop regurgitating what you've heard and read the bible and read other books and pray. I know it ain't the cool thing to do these days but trust me strange things start happening when you pull away from popular ideas.

Evolution as a concept would have been discarded, not the conflicting evidence

I love the way that you dismiss conjecture (a hypothesis as it's referred to as) backed by evidence then state proudly how you prefer the fables of ignorant Bronze Age men in a so-called sacred tent, parasites having the workers bring them offerings all day and only returning threats of bloodshed for disobedience in return. Stick with the guys in the desert if you want, more fool you for doing so. When you get tired of that go look for a Dianetics Centre. They'll LOVE to see you coming.

The men that built the pyramids were ignorant now ? Europeans are like the party didn't start till we came on the scene. Don't know how that pyramid got there before Pythagoras height of arrogance. Those men knew more and died knowing more than you will ever know pity you don't see that.

What's the address of that centre, Dianetics you say lol

I wonder when Liz will mention her buttery soft leather jacket that she loves.

Oh dear, now you're shoulding all over me.

What are you doing yourself but regurgitating what you've heard?


Don't get me wrong, I think people are happier if they have a strong spiritual core. However, you really don't need to be religious or believe in a deity to have a strong spiritual centre.

She can't live with someone who has different beliefs than her? Doesn't that make her just a bit bigoted.

I guess she's lucky that the rest of them don't feel that way -- she's the only vegetarian there, isn't she?

I have heard, but I've done more than hear to the point that I'm not guessing your wrong along with your scientists... I know its wrong, what compels me to talk to you is that knowing. I don't consider myself religious but I am spiritual that is what I am as a being it is one part of my nature. Believing on a deity as you call it is like acknowledging my earthly father, I have flesh my father has flesh, I have a spirit, my Heavenly Father has a Spirit that is how it correlates. Saying you don't need a deity is like saying you don't need a father.

You say you don't consider yourself religious, yet you quote the Bible.

People are welcome to believe what they believe. However, to quote the Bible as though what's written in it are facts is what I have a problem with.

I think we will just have to agree to disagree. May your God go with you.

There are things in the bible that are fact and can be implemented, things to be proven. Read the Acts of the Apostles ... I won't agree to disagree just yet, as seeing reality sucks I believe it my duty to show you an alternate reality or at least point you in the direction. My God is your God too, and the same also.. May God trouble you in your sleep in a good way lol

LOL. The pyramids are only impressive because they were built so long ago. Compared to Mars Rovers, nuclear reactors, and even your non self assembling computer the pyramids are just lumps of rock piled up by slaves (which that Book of yours thinks are a GREAT idea BTW, so much for its morality eh?). The breadth of human knowledge has massively grown in the centuries since your bunch of prophets spouted their nonsense about dust, breath and ribs. Oh, and they used to go on quite a bit about how much they hated Egypt too. Ironic given your example.

Those parasites you venerate so much lived and died knowing less than the average 12 year old knows today. Exactly why their codified fables and threats are useless to our society when it comes to explanations. Evolution doesn't just make sense on its own, the evidence ties in with geology, paleontology, all sorts of other areas of study. It's bigger than just one theory, it interacts with all sorts of other science.

Religion and mysticism don't explain anything. They just give the lazy an excuse for not trying to understand things which are hard to grasp.

I have no soul for lack of any evidence of what it's supposed to be. Therefore animals have no souls either.

One has to believe in 'a soul' in the first place. I do not. But if we replace 'soul' with personality - of course animals have a personality. Still at the end of the day though both Evander and Liz are both pretty much half wits.

That would be my view too.

I suppose it could be theoretically possible for animals to exist in an afterlife though even if they don't have souls.

Actually, the part of the text that you quote as definitive is actually a question to the reader so it could be a negative question meant to indicate that answering yes would be wrong. If you focus on the earlier part of your quote then it seems to be indicating that there is an equivalence between man and beasts which you would logically extrapolate to include any unearthly attributes as well, like a soul.

Personally, I believe that neither have souls but I think your argument for one and not the other here is pretty weak.

The human concept of a soul is just an invention to try to explain why even identical twins are different in personality and outlook, why the same person has never been born twice. The real answer is that everyone is a product of he the configuration of their neurons, determined by birth end then individual experience and because no one person can duplicate the experience and starting point of another person then everyone appears to be completely unique.

well at least Liz has gained Lee's respect, that's obviously the most important thing in the world

'hated by many, loved by a few, respected by Lee Ryan

Whoever said it, is right though.