Easy, as others have said, she was calling him on his disappearing act; or "violating" him. I suppose in the vernacular of these youngsters she was calling into question whether he was keeping it real. That meaningless load of old cobblers seems to mean a lot to their sort.

I'm not ignoring the 'reasons' you gave and if you said you dislike or even hated her then fair enough.

My point is that your reasons -'Sucking Dappy's nipple, going on about sex parties etc' are nowhere near good enough for you take a huge great jump from disliking her to claiming that you know for a fact she is a 'tragic mother'.

Do you not see how that's a pretty outrageous thing for you to say about someone, especially if you have no real evidence of her mothering skills/ or supposed lack of?

I agree, and she was spot on with "you keep out of it for popularity" too

the quest for 'likes' 'hits' etc. is breeding opinion out of us

to contest something these days is to 'hate'

like the frog in the saucepan, warming up nicely

cough(1984)

(oops shhh don't let Big Brother hear I said that)

Would you be happy if your mother was acting like that on TV? Why is she not giving a second thought to her children/child? For me that makes her a tragic mother, or at least a tragic example to set by a mother.

It was just his way of trying to justify his nomination to the public to make himself look good.
Luisa could see this clearly and has his number.
I would of thought he would also be up as well for talking about nominations?

She's always giving advice that she feels HMs should have, which is dictating to them. If he felt she violated him then it would be his space, and with no 24/7 LF, then we don't know how much of his space she trespassed. I'm sure if he went into her space, she'd have something to say about it with no holds barred.

How on earth can anyone think Dappy came out of that well? He tried to make an argument out of nothing "you sleep all day" is hardly an insult, and we all know if Luisa wanted to insult him, she would be more than capable of it. Heaven knows he's given her enough material to work with.

Quite coincidental that he only brought this up after being told they were about to nominate.

Me personally- no I wouldn't be happy, (although Mother AOTB, isn't that kind of lady I'll have you know), but hypothetically if she DID act like Luisa on TV, I would still say that her overall mothering skills to me were not hugely dented, and I would not disown her or immediately claim she was a 'tragic mother' because of it.

If you think any adult that dares to do anything sexual be it spoken, or worse, physical on tv (or even prior to them entering the house) must be a tragic parent, then by your rational do you also think that Lee 'Fanny Rat' Ryan,
'3rd leg' Dappy or even dear old 'Deep Throat' Lionel are as much 'tragic fathers' as Luisa is a 'tragic mother'?

yes she always seems to speak to make her own statement and then moves on, doesn't listen and actually have a conversation, she says her bit, and that's it - it must really annoy the HMs who see through her - She always sounds like she's rounding up the kids at end of lunch break using her patronising tone of voice. Not sure if she really engages with anyone.

sure their kids will love getting teased for their behaviour that if not seen on tv , makes the front page tabloid - mummy licking some guys nipples in a bath tub together and snogging another woman in a bath on tv, yeah, real classy role model mum ! and same goes for Lee and Dappy - and Lionel's comment was jaw dropping. But I guess its morals, standards and what's deemed acceptable behaviour we set for ourselves and lines we do or don't cross and what we don't mind children seeing or knowing about us isn't it. Self-respect, professional reputation, Bad taste and embarrassing comes to mind. Apart from Lionel, Lee Dappy and Luisa (of course Jasmine) may have offers of Porn after BB to rake in bit of dosh won't they. Afterall, Katie Hopkins was approached and of course turned down the privilege.

It's different for blokes. It's the world we live in. In the playground Lee will be a legend. You would think the oh so savvy Louisa would realize this, evidently not.

among the 30 year old dads with their kids in the playground I doubt the same sentiments would apply.

I suspect Luisa would like that not to be the world we live in. The "it's different for blokes" world. A tragic mother of a girl might be content for it to stay that way.

re the BIB, genuinely fair play for being consistent.

I am not debating it would be hugely embarrassing (in many ways I think it would be MORE embarrassing for me as a grown man than as a kid at school!).
Calling Luisa out on her behaviour is one thing but to call her a tragic mother or imply she is bad to her child because of kissing or admitting she once went to sex parties (or indeed anything else she chooses to do as an adult woman) is a step too far for me.

Do you think calling someone a 'tragic mother' is pretty damned bad or do you think it's an acceptable thing to claim on the internet about someone you do not know? Genuine question.

Without meaning to be rude to you it's people who have the same kind of views as you that allow the 'it's different for blokes' fallacy to rumble on even now into 2014.

I DO appreciate you replying to my posts to you and bear you no ill will, (I just found it interesting to ask you why you felt as you did).
I hugely disagree (as you may have gathered) with it being ok to call women 'tragic mothers' whilst extolling men (and I am one of those BTW) as being 'legends' for identical behaviour.

Oh and I am not some kind of new age uber 'PC Brigade' male feminist, far from it, I can assure you.

As well as the nipple suck and girly kiss, I hear Luisa's responsible for sending in drones, torturing prisoners, evicting the disabled and punching puppies. The playground must be a nightmare.

you don't know them either but you force your opinion as if it's the only one that anyone should be taking any notice of - and if some want to call Luisa a bad mother for behaving the way she is, that's their opinion, and you can agree to disagree rather than long dissecting rants on their every word as to why they can't possibly have the views they have. It's unreasonable and not in spirit of a forum, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Personally, any woman can behave like that behind closed doors , the children are none the wiser, as its private. But it's Television and there's no getting away from the aftermath of that behaviour as its all plastered over the tabloid front pages, social media and kids use social media and have older siblings who discuss Big Brother no doubt, and no, Luisa's not a good role model as a mother. Why isn't she thinking about the affect her behaviour could have on her child - she's selfish that's why, and children come first when you have them as far as I am concerned and she should be protecting them by not giving cause for any backlash from her behaviour that could have a negative effect on her child. Time to grow up Luisa quite frankly. It's mild porn let's face it.

Having a mummy who was on The Apprentice was a great legacy, to be proud of, pretty good achievement, but going from that to being known as the gobby one from BB who shared a bath with Dappy the rapper and sucked his nipples and snogged another female housemate on National TV, doesn't quite have the same ring does it.

Interestingly a panelist on BOTS said Luisa had already, before he'd started interviewing her , invited him to a sex party ! Well ok Luisa, do it behind closed doors then don't show yourself up and your family - she's an embarrassment, on par with Lee and Dappy , same goes for them too.

This is simply not true. Do not mistake me being pretty forthright with my views as me believing my opinion is always correct. I do not force my view on anyone. this is a forum, and posting my views (whilst trying to stick to the T&C's even when others get personal at you multiple times) is generally how these things work.


We've been here before haven't we? At what point do you think you have some right to tell me how to post? If hypothetically I said I would prefer your posts to contain less rambling nonsense that was embarassing at times to read, would that also be ok? I suspect not.
I'm just checking whether only YOU are allowed to make personal comments/ recommendations about the way I post or if it's an equal 2 way thing here.


And you believe something a panelist (think he was a showbiz reporter from the Daily Star) says do you? Seriously? I mean come on now. Need I explain the issue with this bit or is it blindingly obvious?

If you want to debate or counter my posts, then feel free and I will endeavour to reply and treat you with the respect that any reasonable poster deserves. If however you continue (and this is now about the 3rd time in the last couple of days) to get personal at me specifically, and not discuss the subject at hand/ the thread topic then I will happily tell you each and every time where you are going wrong.

Indeed behind closed doors up to but to do it on TV, she's much deserving of my accurate statements of fact.

Should it be different when blokes act that way? Yes. Is it? No. Another fact of matter.

She should be ashamed. There is no defending her.

Blimey, then why are we here. Why are you.

Is this a wind up ? or just an attempt at provocation ?

you'll happily tell me where I'm going wrong will you ??? Seriously !

Really...you take everything personally, when it isn't - It's just differing opinion that is not agreeing with you on your views, and best contribute to the thread topics and don't attack those who write them T & C s.

If you tell me this post is a joke and/or a wind up (perhaps you meant to reply to someone else?), I swear I will laugh about it and there will be no hard feelings.

Scouts honour.

you're fully aware that I have replied to your post, take it how you want. And as you're now trying to twist my words in my posts to mean something they clearly don't, there won't be another response. I find your posts are defensive and go too far, not following t & c s.

To interept Dappy I think he felt unhappy with Luisas patronising tone thats disguised as telling it like it is. I also saw he's picked up on her being in the vicinity of conflict, i'd say he's got her number.

he picked up on and said in his language that she was causing arguments and friction, which Jasmine agreed - if he was more articulate it would have been clearer, despite the fact he did overeact, but she prodded him verbally and hit a nerve with him and criticised him which he thought unnecessary, if he wants to sleep, why not, it wasn't harming her. Can't believe i'm defending Dappy !