Why should you dislike someone because they are 'loose' , perish the thought a woman actually enjoys sex. Dappy is surely just as 'loose' as Luisa if not more so , but people seem to like him
And what does bitch even mean? Usually it seems to just mean "woman I don't like".

Thanks for the input!

I think women in general are on a completely different playing field when it comes to BB , the fact that in 14 main series and all but 2 of the celebrity series a woman has been voted out first speaks volumes.
There is such a double standard it's laughable , look how housemates like Conor and Luke (BB9) ended up with cheers where if they were women they would have been REVILED.
I'm talking about the general audience mainly , not just people on here , though I have noticed people bringing up words like "loose" and "tart" which I don't agree with.
I don't know if it's jealously that makes people dislike women like Luisa and Jasmine or just the idea that a woman must be a certain "respectable" way and should just be placid and not act outside of the "rules" - such as , a woman should never admit to enjoying sex , a young woman must be a brainless "tart" if she shows off her body , an older woman should be seen and not heard etc.

I love strong confident women, in the past i have had favs which include makosi,deanna and im loving luisa the most out of this years lot.The public however tend to prefer meek and mild girls who they identify more with sadly.

Hate comes hand in glove with fear, dunnit. Sexually confident women are feared by many members of both sexes. A number of history's female warriors have famously got their tits out at key moments. (True, look it up. I recommend "Ishtar Rising: Why the Goddess Went to Hell and What to Expect Now That She's Returning" by R A Wilson)

I like Jasmine and Luisa, they are entertaining to watch.

nothing more cringe than a grown up man on a forum saying things like "strong intelligent women" trying to score brownie points with the female posters.

'Strong' the new euphemism for 'Bitchy'

This. ^

It's not "strong and intelligent" as a combination, it's being held to an impossibly high standard where any transgression is instantly exaggerated.

So as you say, if you're beautiful you'd better not be sexually threatening as well or too outspoken. If you're older, yes, as you say be quiet or motherly lest you're accused of being a menopausal hag. If you're ugly, be entertaining and kind or grateful.

These archetypes re women have existed for centuries in religion, literature, art and myth: the virgin, the evil temptress, the whore, the sow, the mother, the hag, the crone.

That it's on DS is no revelation when it's so deeply embedded in the collective unconscious.

It should really be phrased why do women hate other women? The terrible men on these type of shows continually get overlooked in favour of voting out women by women.

Some of the most popular HMs of all time on this forum - Anna, Kate, Rachel, Aisleyne to name a few - are what I would call strong, intelligent women. All attractive, too, for what that's worth. And they all did very well in their series too (1st, 2nd or 3rd). So I don't really buy the argument that anyone would dislike a housemate JUST because they feel threatened by a strong/intelligent/attractive woman.

Having said that I do agree that female HMs in general are held to a higher standard than men. Male HMs seem to get away with a lot more.

Cannot abide Luisa, full of herself mouthy, rude woman.
Doesn't mean I don't like intelligent woman, I just don't think she is one.

This ^^

I appreciate she's had it tough in recent years but she's got a bit of a rotten streak. I also think there's more to the Jim hatred than we know. She's a blonde woman of similar age to him who would have moved in similar circles back in the 70s/80s and I can't help thinking that there is a back story to it. (If it's been mentioned already, I must have missed it)

Just once I want to see an older woman in BB or CBB that is not like this. There are lots out there who are great to be around, happy and enjoying life. Instead of nagging, sour faced harridans or mean and embarrassing drunks who should know better.

They really do. Apart from Ollie, the current male HMs are a pretty sorry bunch but seem to be dodging criticism by comparison with that directed at the females who, overall, are much more interesting and entertaining.

Jasmine, Luisa and Sam come across as confident, independant women, not reliant upon others - female or male - for approval. Linda seems a bit insecure and Casey, is either very insecure (with dire taste in men ) or is just making the most of her time in the spotlight.

Liz Jones is the polar opposite of a strong, intelligent woman and I'm frankly amazed to see her being described as that on other threads.

Loved Gina

Quite like Jasmine and Luisa this year, which is a surprise.

Nothing more cringe then someone who'd actually care what people on an online big brother discussion forum think of them. I don't give a fark about "scoring brownie points" from people I don't know but good job for steering the conversation away from my actual post and focusing it on the person that wrote it
If someone can't admit that there isn't a level playing field for women on BB , especially sexually confident , intelligent or "bitchy" women then they are deluding themselves.
Learn to attack the argument not the person , or you'll lose credibility

I don't think any of these women are particularly strong or intelligent, I'd say they are pretty average

maybe they seem strong and intelligent when you compare them to a couple of the men though

bib - I can't help thinking that there is a back-story to some* of the anti-Linda feeling around (at least from some FMs anyway), which started before we even saw her open her mouth on BB

Linda and the other strong women in the house are all very similar I feel. Linda's probably met more Jasmines and Luisas than most.

Re. the OP. For one, I don't HATE anybody - except my ex-husband I certainly can't hate an person who appears on BB, I don't know them.

I don't like Luisa - it's nothing to do with her being a strong woman, or a sexual one. Somebody above said she is 'loose'. A woman is only as loose as the loose man she's with, my friend used to say I don't like Luisa because I feel she's using the 'telling it like it is' 'I'm only being honest' attitude to be nasty and I feel she's manipulative.

However, she's a great BB housemate and entertaining, now that she's not playing truth or dare. I wasn't offended by any of that, it's just boring to watch, especially knowing it's all about getting air-time and votes.

With regard to Jasmine, I feel that is one lady who knows herself very well, and accepts herself for who and what she is, doesn't apologise for being Jasmine Waltz and all that she's done to achieve the reputation she has in Hollywood. I like that about her. She's never pretended to be anything but who she is (well, apart from bigging up her non-existent acting career , but they all big-up their careers, Luisa bigs up her career - if she were that successful, why go on CBB).

I think there is a bit of assumption that a woman not liking a strong female BB HM is due to them being a strong female, it may be that a woman doesn't like A or B because they aren't nice people, or aren't a good housemate. It's very easily assumed that female viewers, or female FMs, are all small-minded, jealous harpies that can't stand sexual, gorgeous woman because they are sexual and gorgeous. This isn't the case. Personally I loved the Shannon twins they were great HMs who know what they want out of life, I liked Hazel, I didn't like Gina but could see what a good HM she was.

Question - do all men 'hate' male HMs that show vulnerability or a feminine side, who may cry or show their feelings, who aren't seen as strong alpha males? I would hope not
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This is why I said some not all people think like this and remember how much flak Rachel and Aisleyne faced from the general audience? They might have been popular on here , ( and not universally they had very vocal haters )and I LOVE them but they faced an uphill battle that a man wouldn't have faced in a similiar situation.

I guess they are strong enough women to get a part on CBB when they haven't done much to warrant being called a celebrity That's a clever move

True story. Dappy and Lee have caused the 'strong & intelligent' benchmark to plummet.

I don't think all or even most of the unfairness comes from women , it comes equally from men and I don't think it's to do with jealousy , I actually don't know why it is at all that women are held to such a higher standard of behaviour , in this show and in society in general.
It's perfectly reasonable to not like Luisa as a person if she's not your cup of tea personality wise , but I honestly do feel that a lot of people don't like her because she IS so confident in herself and in her sexuality and doesn't care what other people think , obviously not everyone is going to like her , but a lot of the comments towards her ( and jasmine ) are so sexual in their nature that it's difficult to believe that there isn't a link ( for some people ) thanks for the input!

Linda is neither strong nor intelligent. She's had it in for Jim since day one.

Word for word I agree.

I don't think it's to do with being strong and intelligent.

Just because a woman has a more reserved personality it doesn't mean she isn't emotionally strong. I think it's more because the girls who get called 'strong' are usually outspoken and therefor are more likely to annoy viewers with the things they say.
As for intelligence, I think almost everyone prefers someone who has something interesting to say than someone who plays the "I'm thick" card.

Cos we are jellus and threatened by them