I personally don't consider being loud, totally unable to control your temper or your emotions, and being immature as being strong. I just see it as being unbearable to be around

yeah, strong, intelligent women are not normally known for having heated debates about bananas and how old Rihanna is

Where was that? She certainly wasn't just as disliked as she was liked here or on the C4 forum. Indeed, it was made quite unpleasant for people who disliked her here.


Twitter wasn't around when Rachel won, so it's hard to compare. I agree, though, that Sam was much less interesting as a housemate and faced fewer challenges inside the house as well as from presenters and shows.

There's a problem with determining what strong women are. Makosi wasn't strong - she was built up as a big character who was projecting an image that she couldn't live up to - a schemer who couldn't scheme. Some of the strong matriarch figures in BB history, have not been very bright,but were still effective, Some very strong characters have been regarded as dull, as they didn't have to assert themselves much. Others have been in control without looking like it, or stronger than first impressions might suggest.

Historically strong women also run into opposition for reasons that are sometimes obvious. Alpha females often lead - a section of the viewing audience may just not like leaders - because they don't like being led. They can't make decisions, or can't uderstand good ones, or why someone should make them. Attractive alpha females may still set of instinctive alarm bells with some less attractive non alpha females. Leaders who try and lead, either end up confronting dysfunctional HM, or talking about them - both of which are seen as negative things to do. They also often tell people what to do - which doesn't go down well with anarchists, some teens, or people who didn't like school teachers.

There's also changing times and audiences. Some viewers actually find something attractive in characters like Dappy. Extreme characters are now the stock of most reality shows that don't require people to actually do something well - from X factor to TOWIE. People vote for them, defend them, and find other less vivid characters boring. Viewers can now easily be sold a story - like Saint Pete in BB7 - and defend Pete from any HM pointing out his issues. Celebrity magazine culture, and a narrowing of the audience base, mean more people may now adopt the "who said what about whom/who is kissing whom in the payground" culture people used to leave behind at junior school.Reality shows also put in attractive males to attract audiences, and, if they are successful, any HM being negative about that male becomes disliked. As stronger, more established, females often tend to have run ins with more childish HM, and young. attractive. but cocky. males, and domineering alpha males, they can run into trouble there. As strong females also don't often take part in the playground romances , and do look like teacher's pet, they have a problem as shows like BB have lost audience - and have ended up with the people who liked the concentration on more exotic characters. and simpler stories as the show has gone on.

Not by miles imo. Conor had not yet reached the nadir of his unpopularity when he was up against Sheivonne, and she had just turned visibly against the outsiders for no imaginable reason and simultaneously become incredibly irritating. Sara beat him in an eviction just before the white room, and there is no reason to suppose that would have changed Whether he would have beaten the others depends who was up of course - against Scott but no outsiders he would have been wiped out because all the outsiders' fans would have supported Scott. So disliked was Conor towards the end that even Ashleigh might have benefited from the same treatment, just for not being Conor.


I really think she does care. She very, very much wants to be seen as sexy and successful.
Who are these people? Do they include you? They don't include me. ,
Do you think it's a sign of sexual confidence to play truth or dare with Dappy and Jasmine? Because I don't. Empty vessels really do sometimes make most noise. The word I have used of Luisa - and will use again - is 'try-hard' . Her reward for trying so very, very hard to look successful and sexy is to make some viewers believe that she really is in a very enviable position. Others will think that a more confident person would have been a bit more relaxed about how they were coming across in there.



Yes, true. It is too depressing to contemplate to count the number of repetitions of 'hag', 'witch', 'dried-up' etc, but some people really should take a look at themselves.
Pretty much this.



Yes, true; but to be fair, your perception of someone's looks CAN change according to your feelings about them, and it is not always easy to be objective. Louise in BB12 was a classic example; when she first came into the house, the forum was full of nothing but praise for her looks; by half way through an awful lot of people were convinced that she wasn't really pretty at all, and that Faye was much better looking. It is hard to say that they were lying; they just no longer got any pleasure from looking at Louise. (I always thought, in the face of universal ridicule for it, that her 80's fashion sense was quirky and attractive btw.)




In place of the white room. I have changed my mind in the meantime though. He might not have been voted out against Becky.



Yes, true. I was thinking this morning that Sam might be my favourite, then had to admit that it was because we have barely seen her at all, and when we have she has been quiet and polite. Who knows what she is actually like in conversation? For all we know she does nothing except talk about TOWIE.



I thought he was annoying as hell. But people really seemed to adore him on here. Someone once told me, when I criticised his post-amigos treatment of Lisa, that he had a beautiful soul.


Both of them - and I speak as someone who loves Sue Perkins - were disappointingly charmless on CBB. Why can't we have Victoria Wood and Kim Wilde?


Claire, yes. She probably wasn't great, but since she was on the Rylan/ Speidi show we never really saw her.




I think that might be a wee bit misleading. The forum just was bigger and more boistrous back in the days of BB9. Sam was pretty comprehensively trashed on here, just by far fewer people.

Think I was proven at least somewhat right tonight that men have it much easier then outspoken women in BB.
Luisa and Jasmine get boos when there worst crimes have been , at most being a bit "bitchy" , while homophobic Evander and sexist asshole Dappy get cheers.