Im a jim fan I have always loved his jokes evrn when they were a bit close to the bone it didn't bother me he could always make me laugh .I hope he just keeps up the good work ,ignores Linda and just keeps his head down luv him hope he wins

Have you never given anyone the benefit of the doubt that they may have changed? Whatever anyone has done in their past it is possible to regret those things.

I'm all in favour of giving everyone a fair shot and until it's proved otherwise, at the moment Jim as far as I can tell, has done nothing to warrant any dislike from me.

Of course, that may well change. But if I were to watch this show and keep harping about a housemates past then I'd be watching a show that I disliked the majority from the off.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Jim's my fav at the moment.

I have to see some action to think someone has changed, going a few days without being racist or homophobic or slapping women about I am not going to be suddenly loving Jim

Hmm that gave me pause for thought. I had thought the philosophy I was adopting was fair but actually you have made it seem a bit irrational even ridiculous. Need to give that some consideration.

I'm a bit like this too in that the forum can affect my view. In my case it's less about the underdog and more because I like balance and a sense of perspective, and I loathe black & white, binary, fingers in ears thinking.

I also think we shouldn't condemn HMs for doing things we may invariably do ourselves (like the odd bit of bitching or flirting).

I wonder just how many of us would actually come across well in a highly manipulated, pressurised, selectively edited environment with a bunch of strangers? Very few I imagine.

Yes me too Scarlett. The reactionary, irrational and illogical propaganda drives me nuts. If it were a vote to evict I would be tempted to pick up the phone to vote out Luisa. Not because of anything she has done (so far she is curate's egg) but to stop the Queen Luisa rubbish. I felt the same about Gina in the main series even though I found her one of the most diverting HMs ever. But her fans - arrgghhh.

Looking at this forum, very few i should think

This is a bit how I feel. I can't say I dislike him on this evidence and he's even surprised me at times, but I've seen too much of him previously to be anything but wary. No one is only a shitbag and it's only been a week.

With his reputation, he has a HUGE incentive to hold his tongue and seem reasonable in his views. I've noticed him hold himself back but turn a funny colour, like when Luisa asked him (stupidly) to give the bottle a blow job. It was like rattling a bear cage and he was clearly offended but bit his tongue. Is this evidence of a changed man or someone desperate to turn around public opinion? I can't say.

And let's not forget where it started, with the nauseating Queen Deana stuff in bb13 (or even further back if we take nauseating fannishness more generally).

God yes on the Gina front. Last year I think the main reason I 'liked' Hazel was the awful bigoted venom she faced on here. I say liked but really I was just sticking up for her. And although I went off Gina all by myself, her fans definitely nudged it further.

Some posters can't accept that criticising a HM doesn't mean you're a hater and by association a fan of their nemesis. But maybe that's what the world is like in some people's heads? It's this or else it's that. Black or white, never a rainbow.

I'm not sure how singing at Jasmine of f off is supposed to be funny even in a dated way.

Even apart from that, he seems quite unpleasant in CBB, and I think it's telling that his popularity seems to need dislike for Linda as a flipside.

Deana was Queena, I took more issue in the fact it was maybe the worst pun in history

I have always liked Jim and Linda cannot stop herself moaning - he made too much food, he dried up and made the tea towel wet - bloody hell she has real issues - leave him alone Linda - he has had a helluva a time lately and falsely accused you just adding to it. Nasty woman just like Colleen.

For sure. Because she was the underdog in the house she came to be viewed as Boadecia. She was "hilarious", she was tough, she was the queen. Whereas I thought she was nice enough, a bit 'meh', not funny at all, not especially tough, and at times slightly irritating. It was bizarre.

And that is exactly why I feel like rallying around her even though objectively she has done nothing yet to make me like or dislike her. Colleen has nothing to do with it. And I agree Jim has had a rubbish time of it lately (well for about 25 years probably culminating in worse when he was arrested) but in my world multiple bereavements and the spectre of cancer amount to an equally if not worse hell of a time.

I like Jim, he is coming across the most normal person in there, Linda is really annoying I hope the others see this soon.

There was only a relatively brief period when Aaron was popular in the way that Deana or Gina were, and when it seemed that everything was judged by how it was towards or about Aaron and when those who didn't like him were frequently mobbed to subjected to thread-wrecking and other tactics.

And then, even though Aaron remained by far the most popular in polls, he wasn't in posts. Most of his supporters were driven back into the appreciation thread, rather like Josie's had been after an earlier series. (I think Josie must have the record for being talked about with sustained, continual unpleasantness.)


I can think of some underdogs you didn't support and some non-underdogs you have, however. I don't think anyone is very consistent about such things, especially considering how questionable some beliefs that a HM is an underdog can be -- as in your example at the start of your first post above (where I agree with you).

I like Jim, prefer him to Linda anyway.

There is an appreciation thread on here for him.

I'm quite liking Jim at the moment. Those on this forum who don't appear to base this on his past. Well I love CBB for what it is. It's a tv programme where the public vote out who annoys them in the house, leaving a winner who has irritated the fewest members of the public.

Jim Davidson's life in the past 20 years is not something that weighs heavily on me. In the BB house he has not annoyed the hell out of me so far, so all ok. Likewise most of the others. The only people who I have watched and thought they were doing wrong were Linda ("I don't like you" to anyone's face in front of a group of people is never kind, imo), she's desperate for confrontation with Jim and it's not a nice thing to watch. Dappy, acts like a child, doesn't interest me. The whole Lee, Casey, Jasmine triangle bores me so I'd like them all to leave.

So, while I don't call myself a "fan" of anybody, yes I like Jim.

That's exactly how I feel about Jim. While I like him as a HM, I've seen nothing to warrant any of the fond terms being bandied about in praise of him since they almost all appear to applauding him for not reverting to type and/or living up to his poor reputation. That might be something to praise if he were in his 20s/30s but he's a 60yr old man!

And regardless of his past, I'm still seeing a pretty unpleasant, arrogant man, increasingly struggling to maintain this veneer of 'respectability'.

I feel much the same way about Liz Jones and some of the praise that's being directed at her. Interesting as a HM but with each new day confirming herself as the joyless, bitter, self-involved, self-serving victim of her columns.

Well (a) I missed the actual incident somehow, and only saw Jasmine complain about it, the delicate flower, and (b) you've picked out his potentially most spiky and least sympathetic moment so far. He really hasn't provided many. He's been as careful as I think he's capable of.


Does he really? Without prejudice? I'm the same as most, I came to the thing with a lot of historical anti-Jim sentiment. I've been trying hard to look at him objectively in the house, and I think if I'd never heard of him I'd see the pink piggy look and hear the real views barely disguised as jokes, and I'd surmise that he's most likely a nasty wotsit underneath. Whereas I knew nothing about Linda and almost instantly felt negative things radiating out of her. Sorry about that. Of course she comes up in any discussion of Jim, she was tied to him and clearly came to the house already hating him.


At the moment Jim's an interesting exercise in whatever you referred me to the other day, you know, the psychology of only seeing the bits you need in order to reinforce your prejudice. I guess we're all willing him to explode in a shower of true colours at some point. Well what if he's actually, genuinely been chastened by Yewtree and generally getting older? Very unlikely, but.

That's never been quite true, and it's even less true not that the show using voting to save.

In any case, while I don't like Jim's past and have not forgotten what I've seen or otherwise learned of him in the past, I wouldn't like him as a housemate anyway. He seems quite unpleasant and not in any way interesting or entertaining.

I saw the incident, I don't like the spin of "delicate flower", and I don't think he was even at his least sympathetic then.


Yes, and yes.


I didn't have strong feelings about either of them and haven't liked or been entertained by or even found very interesting anything I've seen or heard from either of them in CBB. If they were both removed tomorrow, or indeed right now, it would only improve the show for me. And they can take Lionel with them.


That's a distortion of what I referred to the other day, and I don't like your sly insinuation that I'm prejudiced.

Clearly everyone's view of "unpleasant" is different. In my opinion the only people who have been in any way unpleasant to others are Linda and Dappy. Anyhow, I don't get offended or outraged by how people are on BB or outside of the house. As long as they don't become annoying Jim, and most of the others are ok, so far.