Again the long toes and the "sly" charge. I meant your prejudice as in "one's prejudice" and I meant "prejudice" literally, as in pre-judgement, previously held opinion. Read my post again in that context, it is exactly what you were talking about the other day. I'm going to have to give up trying to engage with you on any level aren't I, I was genuinely trying to bridge the gap a bit here.

i wonder when Jim is going to show Evander his chalky white routines.

Please do leave me alone and stop making digs (which you've just done again with that "long toes"). It did not look like you were trying to bridge the gap. If that is what you intended, then I think our posting styles are too incompatible for us to have a productive discussion.

What I referred to the other day is not "the psychology of only seeing the bits you need in order to reinforce your prejudice", not even if you just mean "previously held opinion".

Do you think Jim telling Jasmine to f off when she was just walking past was not in any way unpleasant? If so, then I think that requires a rather unusual view of what counts as at all unpleasant.

You did it first with "sly" again. And you were displaying needlessly long toes again.


Agreed.

But was she really just walking past? When watching this my thoughts were "oh God these two giggling girls are going to interrupt this". Jim obviously thought so too.

Yes.


Even if that were true, his telling her to f off would normally be considered at least a bit unpleasant.

There you go with yet another dig.


Good. And let's not have any more unproductive ones either.

I'm glad I'm not judged as harshly on my past for I have said and done things that I now regret.

People can and do change. It would be nice to be so perfect wouldn't it LOL!

Of course they can and do, but that Jim is proving to be not as awful or provocative or aggressive as he's been on eg. a previous RTV show is not really something to applaud him for either, is it? Which is the point that Pitman was making.

I just haven't seen anything to date to indicate that he's any different to how he's always been.

I'm not a fan of anyone in there, and certainly not JD.
He seems to have kept it together so far though, and the badness in me would like to see that self-control slip.

Linda currently seems to be doing the rehabilitation of his public persona wonders. Without her in there I think he'd be getting little in the way of attention on screen, or support on here.

As I've said before, I judge on how they act in the house and so far, I haven't really seen anything that would make me dislike him.

What has he done so far that would make me change that view?

Just because he hasn't hit the roof thus far, doesn't mean he will. He may of course but until that time I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt.

I thought I would like Julie G and Carol McG in previous years. Towards the end of the series I couldn't stand the sight of either of them. Opinions on a housemate can change. I like to keep an open mind.

^^^ ^^^
This.

he has shown me no evidence that he has changed so far, so why am I going to forget his past, has he uttered one word of regret about the people he ****ed over in the past, I am sure they would have loved to show that old C5?

exactly, to me he is just the same boorish old Jim, just minus the shirtlifter gags

You seem to have interpreted my post as a directive to dislike Jim? it wasn't merely an explanation as to why I and other people may find nothing at all in him to warm to or like.

I also like to start with a clean slate but we're over a week(?) in now and all I'm seeing is the same arrogant Jim of old. Similarly with Liz Jones, who I was really curious about as a person and interested to see what she'd bring to the table, but she's also proving to be pretty much what her grim writing suggests she is.

I do think they're both good HMs though and hope they stay tonight.

Yep, a good HM, interesting to observe and watch interacting with others (would love to see a lot more of that), but no personal improvements worth mentioning - let alone applauding.

I apologise if you have interpreted my post wrongly, that was not my intention at all.

Obviously we all view things differently. I haven't really seen any arrogance from Jim to warrant any dislike from me. I have however seen a few instances from another that could be interpreted as trying to 'get him going' which I dislike.

He may turn out to be a right horror in the coming days if he stays after tonight, who knows. But, as I've said, until I see something to make me change my mind, I'm still neutral with Jim.

I have always liked him.

Flawed, as we all are, but he is OK.

[quote=Pitman;70740039]exactly, to me he is just the same boorish old Jim, just minus the shirtlifter gags [/QUOTE

And yet, you yourself felt the need to use the term. How odd lol.

YES! I know I have said this a few times over the years, but in my opinion, people who don't 'bitch' at ALL:

1. Are just not interested in other people to talk about them at all; OR
2. Are extremely aware of the cameras, and careful to play the super-nice role throughout.

Nothing is more natural than to have a bit of a moan about someone who is annoying you. Imo it only really becomes bitching if it is excessive, or untruthful, or uses very loaded language, or is particularly manipulative.


'Lord Aaron'. *vom*

He was though. I did a lot of reading back recently in a nerdy desire to prove some point. There were pro- Aaron posts and anti-Aaron posts, but remarkably few pro anyone else posts. Almost no one on here liked Jay or Alex or Tom or Louise, let alone Anton. Apart from Faye, who was often treated as Aaron's 'and guest', you have to go back to Harry for someone who attracted much favourable comment, and that seemed to stop instantly and completely when he slagged Aaron off on BOTS. Obviously there were people like moleymo who absolutely detested Aaron, but you could read 100 consecutive posts from that series without finding one that was really pro anyone except Aaron.

I almost never look at peoples appreciation threads, so that can't be where I got my impression from (though I totally agree about Josie; you would have thought she barely had a fan on here.) In an effort to find some kind of statistical sample, I picked a typical mid-series, apparently anti-Aaron thread: "I'm really going off Aaron" - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...+favourite+tom But taking out the neutral ones, I make it 25 Anti-Aaron posts, 33 pro Aaron posts, 2 (ridiculed) pro-Jay posts, and a pro-Alex post.




You're probably right. But I do generally have a bad reaction when I think someone is being really unfairly treated on here.

I think it was much more ambiguous than that. She actually sounded amused and affectionate towards him. It was only after they were no longer chained that it was clear how badly they were getting on. Either she had pretended a good nature she didn't have or he had massively annoyed her during those few days. We can't tell, but I bet some people will pretend that they can.




It would be amusing.

You can't have failed to see how savagely Linda is being judged for allegedly upsetting someone on BOTS two years ago. And for being someone's sister. She had an 'unappreciation thread' full of abuse on the first night. What do you think that was about?

How could pitman make the point without using the word?

I have never contributed to the 'unappreciation thread' or indeed have I ever savaged Linda . I just say it how I see it on the actual programme that I'm watching. I can't be held responsible for comments made to a housemate from others.

I don't bring past misdemeanors from any housemate into the actual show that I'm watching. I always think that puts a housemate on a back foot with me from the start and I like to enjoy the show for what it is.

I wouldn't judge Linda on what has occurred in the past no more than I would judge Jim or any other housemates on what has happened in the past.

I prefer it that way

Well, in all honesty I think a point was being made for the sake of it.

I found that word far more offensive than anything Jim has done or said in the house and I feel it was unnecessary.

Just my opinion of course.

I didn't invent the word, it was people like Jim

sorry if I offended you