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Old 10-01-2014, 22:55
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So it's ok to stab people over a horse now?...is that what you're saying?
No one has stabbed anyone over a horse. There was no horse and no knife. Get a grip!
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Old 10-01-2014, 22:55
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It's getting. A bit like Jim and Linda on here now
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Old 10-01-2014, 22:55
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It was a dodgy comment aid aggressively, akin to a threat, which in the past has had people called into the diary room.
This is the thing..no warning...no uproar on here...it's ok for liz to suggest she'd stab him but if Evander had suggested the same thing to her what would have happened?
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Old 10-01-2014, 22:55
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I probably would have said something similar to Liz and I don't even own a horse, heck, I don't even like horses but bloody hell he punched a pregnant one. He's a sarnie short of a picnic.
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Old 10-01-2014, 22:57
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No one has stabbed anyone over a horse. There was no horse and no knife. Get a grip!
You're the one trying to defend liz's comments (not very well may i add) so i'm merely asking you to clarify your stance..is it ok to threaten to stab someone over a horse? yes or no?
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Old 10-01-2014, 22:57
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It wasn't a threat.

If she said "I'm going to stab you", you'd have a point. She said that if he punched her horse, she would have stabbed him. Note the lack of immediate or pending harm.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:00
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She didn't threaten him. She said ''IF you punched my horse, I'd stab you.'' A threat would have been Liz saying something like ''I'm GOING to stab you.'' But she didn't. You're acting as though she picked up a knife from the bloody kitchen and held it to his throat or something.

And to answer your question, if Liz was telling Evander that she'd punched a pregnant horse because it humiliated her, and Evander had replied ''If you punched my horse, I'd stab you'' I wouldn't have any issue with it whatsoever. Just like I have no issue with Liz saying that to Evander.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:01
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It wasn't a threat.

If she said "I'm going to stab you", you'd have a point. She said that if he punched her horse, she would have stabbed him. Note the lack of immediate or pending harm.
If Evander had suggest he would stab liz over a horse what would the reaction be?
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:02
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If Evander had suggest he would stab liz over a horse what would the reaction be?
I'd think he was a bit mental as I do with Liz, but that wouldn't legally be a threat either.

That said, I automatically side with anybody who is against horse punching. The fact you're sat villifying a woman who wants to defend her horses over a man who decked a horse for showing him up says a lot about you.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:04
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I'd think he was a bit mental as I do with Liz, but that wouldn't legally be a threat either.

That said, I automatically side with anybody who is against horse punching. The fact you're sat villifying a woman who wants to defend her horses over a man who decked a horse for showing him up says a lot about you.
You're missing the point.

Forget the horse.

If Evander had said he'd stab Liz over any hypothetical situation what do you think the reaction on here would be?
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:04
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Imagine Dappy said what Liz said. Loving the double standards on DS.
Apparently if you hit a horse being stabbed is justified as a response.

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Old 10-01-2014, 23:05
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It is double standards - but because it's over a horse the animal lovers on here think it's justified.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:08
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You're the one trying to defend liz's comments (not very well may i add) so i'm merely asking you to clarify your stance..is it ok to threaten to stab someone over a horse? yes or no?
The poster is defending their comments perfectly well. Unfortunately you're not, because people have repeatedly explained to you that she did not threaten to stab Evander. She said basically that IF he attacked her animal, she would retaliate.

IMO it's a completely understandable response to a shocking admission of animal cruelty. Big bully hitting a defenceless pregnant creature because it showed him up?!

There's no comparison between what he DID, and what she merely SAID.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:13
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You're missing the point.

Forget the horse.

If Evander had said he'd stab Liz over any hypothetical situation what do you think the reaction on here would be?
If the way he phrased it wasn't legally a threat, then Big Brother's reaction would be exactly the same. He wouldn't be hauled in.

However, you have to realise that there is a massive imbalance of power between Liz and Evander already. Liz is undeniably weaker than Evander, he'd floor her while a punch from her to him would be more likely to break her own hand. A different reaction isn't automatically a double standard - if a 5 year old threatened to punch you you'd laugh whereas if you threatened to punch a 5 year old people would react much differently because it's more likely that it could theoretically happen and do damage.

That said, Evander clearly wasn't unnerved. He didn't seem to feel unsafe. He's probably forgotten about it already, so you're putting far more stock into it than necessary.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:14
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If someone punched my Animal or if I saw someone beating one I would hospitalize them I don't care what anyone has to say, so I know where she came from.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:17
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If Evander had said he'd stab Liz over any hypothetical situation what do you think the reaction on here would be?
Outrage then disgust followed by more outrage and calls to get him evicted/ deported/ jailed especially as it was against a women.

Oh and then a bit more outrage.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:17
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Now lets just say this was the other way around!!...Liz says her horse kicked her and she got angry and slapped it. Evander then says.."if that was my horse i'd stab YOU"...how would this place react to that? and it wasn't like she was giggling or anything...the crazy woman looked serious.

I just wonder why there's one rule for certain housemates and another rule for others?...Evander was vilified after his crass comments but Liz got saved after threatening violence!!..how does that add up?
It's not a good analogy since Liz wouldn't slap an animal whether it had kicked her or not. Funny how atheists tend to be more compassionate about other living creatures on this planet than the Bible bashers.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:18
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If the way he phrased it wasn't legally a threat, then Big Brother's reaction would be exactly the same. He wouldn't be hauled in.

However, you have to realise that there is a massive imbalance of power between Liz and Evander already. Liz is undeniably weaker than Evander, he'd floor her while a punch from her to him would be more likely to break her own hand. A different reaction isn't automatically a double standard - if a 5 year old threatened to punch you you'd laugh whereas if you threatened to punch a 5 year old people would react much differently because it's more likely that it could theoretically happen and do damage.

That said, Evander clearly wasn't unnerved. He didn't seem to feel unsafe. He's probably forgotten about it already, so you're putting far more stock into it than necessary.
a 5 year old with a deadly weapon (knife or gun) can cause just as much damage if it was done by an adult
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:18
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If someone punched my Animal or if I saw someone beating one I would hospitalize them I don't care what anyone has to say, so I know where she came from.
And you would most likely go to jail. If you purposefully hospitalised someone, you would deserve it too.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:20
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If the way he phrased it wasn't legally a threat, then Big Brother's reaction would be exactly the same. He wouldn't be hauled in.

However, you have to realise that there is a massive imbalance of power between Liz and Evander already. Liz is undeniably weaker than Evander, he'd floor her while a punch from her to him would be more likely to break her own hand. A different reaction isn't automatically a double standard - if a 5 year old threatened to punch you you'd laugh whereas if you threatened to punch a 5 year old people would react much differently because it's more likely that it could theoretically happen and do damage.

That said, Evander clearly wasn't unnerved. He didn't seem to feel unsafe. He's probably forgotten about it already, so you're putting far more stock into it than necessary.
I'm not putting any stock on it at all. I'm asking a question. What would the reaction be ON HERE (not from BB) if he'd said it and worded it exactly the same
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:24
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a 5 year old with a deadly weapon (knife or gun) can cause just as much damage if it was done by an adult
Gun recoil can kill kids not to mention they're unlikely to have the hand eye coordination to do a deadly shot and knives require force to do damage that an adult can apply more of than a 5 year old, but you keep thinking the laws of physics don't apply in this type of situation.

You're safer with a child who has it out for you than with a fully grown adult who has it out for you.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:24
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I'm not putting any stock on it at all. I'm asking a question. What would the reaction be ON HERE (not from BB) if he'd said it and worded it exactly the same
It'd differ because of the imbalance of power, as in the example I gave you.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:25
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So you're saying it's ok to threaten violance?
Liz did not threaten to stab him. She said IF you punched my horse, I would stab you. You show outrage at the suggestion of violence, but do not condemn severe violence to a pregnant animal.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:26
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So you're saying it's ok to threaten violance?
Well violence is clearly the only language Evander understands.
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Old 10-01-2014, 23:27
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It'd differ because of the imbalance of power, as in the example I gave you.

Ok, thanks, double standards then.

As I suspected.

and by the way I think punching a horse (pregnant or otherwise) is absolutely disgraceful.
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