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Liz did not threaten to stab him. She said IF you punched my horse, I would stab you. You show outrage at the suggestion of violence, but do not condemn severe violence to a pregnant animal.
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If the way he phrased it wasn't legally a threat, then Big Brother's reaction would be exactly the same. He wouldn't be hauled in.
However, you have to realise that there is a massive imbalance of power between Liz and Evander already. Liz is undeniably weaker than Evander, he'd floor her while a punch from her to him would be more likely to break her own hand. A different reaction isn't automatically a double standard - if a 5 year old threatened to punch you you'd laugh whereas if you threatened to punch a 5 year old people would react much differently because it's more likely that it could theoretically happen and do damage. That said, Evander clearly wasn't unnerved. He didn't seem to feel unsafe. He's probably forgotten about it already, so you're putting far more stock into it than necessary. ie because I think Liz said 'stab' as telling a world heavy weight boxing champion you would punch him (in direct retaliation for his punching something else) would have no verbal impact and make you sound comically weak and your threat sound comically inadequate. |
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And you would most likely go to jail. If you purposefully hospitalised someone, you would deserve it too.
As would a person who assaulted an animal. |
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I'd think he was a bit mental as I do with Liz, but that wouldn't legally be a threat either.
That said, I automatically side with anybody who is against horse punching. The fact you're sat villifying a woman who wants to defend her horses over a man who decked a horse for showing him up says a lot about you. ![]() There's a double standard in this place and it needs to be addressed. |
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The poster is defending their comments perfectly well. Unfortunately you're not, because people have repeatedly explained to you that she did not threaten to stab Evander. She said basically that IF he attacked her animal, she would retaliate.
IMO it's a completely understandable response to a shocking admission of animal cruelty. Big bully hitting a defenceless pregnant creature because it showed him up?! There's no comparison between what he DID, and what she merely SAID. |
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Liz did not threaten to stab him. She said IF you punched my horse, I would stab you.
I have no idea how you or anyone else can make excuses for someone who said they would stab another person. I cannot see how any right minded person can accept the mention of ANY threat or violence in this instance via stabbing whether it be direct, implied, or conditional. It does not matter. Even a conditional thread (you punch my horse and I'll stab you) IS a threat and for me this 'issue' really isn't a tricky one at all. The only way I could think it would be 'ok' to say you would stab someone to say would be if both parties knew it was said in jest, and even then when shown to an audience on tv you'd question anyone who would condone it. |
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No-one is saying what Evander done to the horse is right..but again IF he had said he'd stab Liz over a horse i wonder what you and others would be saying about him now?
![]() There's a double standard in this place and it needs to be addressed. Double standards are sometimes there for a reason. Almost anyone's reaction to getting 'threatened' by a world heavyweight champion who could follow through would be very different to receiving a 'threat' from an old, eating disordered woman. |
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It's not a good analogy since Liz wouldn't slap an animal whether it had kicked her or not. Funny how atheists tend to be more compassionate about other living creatures on this planet than the Bible bashers.
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As would a person who assaulted an animal.
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Not really. In a knife fight between Evander and Liz who would win?
Double standards are sometimes there for a reason. Almost anyone's reaction to getting 'threatened' by a world heavyweight champion who could follow through would be very different to receiving a 'threat' from an old, eating disordered woman.
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No-one is saying what Evander done to the horse is right..but again IF he had said he'd stab Liz over a horse i wonder what you and others would be saying about him now?
![]() There's a double standard in this place and it needs to be addressed. |
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Not really. In a knife fight between Evander and Liz who would win?
Double standards are sometimes there for a reason. Almost anyone's reaction to getting 'threatened' by a world heavyweight champion who could follow through would be very different to receiving a 'threat' from an old, eating disordered woman. The police, and the legal system etc do not excuse a weaker human if they threaten to stab a stronger human being. People DO realise this right? |
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a 5 year old with a deadly weapon (knife or gun) can cause just as much damage if it was done by an adult
A 5 year old would get a knife taken from them pretty quickly by just about anyone and if they had a gun then the recoil would likely knock a 5 year old out on the first shot. |
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This is irrelevant. If a 5 ft tall, 8 stone man threatened to stab a 6ft 5, 15 stone man, that it is still a threat of violence.
The police, and the legal system etc do not excuse a weaker human if they threaten to stab a stronger human being. People DO realise this right? It's just a shame people are trying to justify liz's comment...it's crazy to me .
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Well violence is clearly the only language Evander understands.
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This is irrelevant. If a 5 ft tall, 8 stone man threatened to stab a 6ft 5, 15 stone man, that it is still a threat of violence.
The police, and the legal system etc do not excuse a weaker human if they threaten to stab a stronger human being. People DO realise this right? |
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I'm not sure it qualifies as a "double standard" that a flimsy-looking woman joking about inflicting violence on a heavyweight boxer carries a bit less menace than the other way round.
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You'd like the police to investigate Liz's horrendous crime, then?
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Gun recoil can kill kids not to mention they're unlikely to have the hand eye coordination to do a deadly shot and knives require force to do damage that an adult can apply more of than a 5 year old, but you keep thinking the laws of physics don't apply in this type of situation.
You're safer with a child who has it out for you than with a fully grown adult who has it out for you. also kids kill their parents with knives when the parents are asleep |
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This is irrelevant. If a 5 ft tall, 8 stone man threatened to stab a 6ft 5, 15 stone man, that it is still a threat of violence.
The police, and the legal system etc do not excuse a weaker human if they threaten to stab a stronger human being. People DO realise this right? However, public understandably view it differently depending on who is threatening. A five year old threatening you is viewed different to you threatening a five year old no matter if the same was said because of an imbalance of power. |
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I'm not sure it qualifies as a "double standard" that a flimsy-looking woman joking about inflicting violence on a heavyweight boxer carries a bit less menace than the other way round.
Hypothetically IF Evander punched Liz's horse and IF Liz grabbed her favorite knife and tried to stab an unarmed Evander who has just hurt his hand rendering it useless having punched the aforementioned horse, do I think she would be able to actually hurt him? No, not in a million years. Do I think she would carry any menace even if she were armed with a knife strapped to each finger Freddie Krueger style and Evander had both arms strapped behind his back at she came in for the jugular? No, not for me. All of that of course course is also totally irrelevant to the matter at hand. |
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You'd like the police to investigate Liz's horrendous crime, then?
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She wasn't joking though was she. She was completely in earnest about it.
Evander has made his name in a violent sport and has a dubious reputation with illegal substances.. |
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Except what Liz said wasn't legally a threat. If it is, she'll get her arse handed to her by the police, but it won't happen because there was no impending or postponed threat of harm.
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However, public understandably view it differently depending on who is threatening. A five year old threatening you is viewed different to you threatening a five year old no matter if the same was said because of an imbalance of power.
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