Beyond all the idealistic rhetoric and untailored equality the bottom line remains that generally there are different standards for sexual exploits between men and women. You can try argue it in equality theory but in reality most women recognise it too.

The bottom line is that pulling for men is a skill. To pull 5 women in one night you are doing something exclusive that most men are unable to do either by your communication skills or your ability to earn money. For a women to pull 5 guys in one night they would have basically just opened their legs and said "come get it". There's no skill in it. No books or seminars in how to get a guy into bed. Just show some leg or some tit and most single guys would say yes. We are pretty base creatures.

There's very little finesse to men when it comes to sex which is why you have stripclubs full of scantily clad women not men. To actually pull women regularly is a skill and its a skill that many women are impressed with. Whether they are labeled aplayer, or a stud, or a lothario, they tend to be respected by men and desired by women.

Flip that round for a female and they are seen as slags who are accepted by men and disrespected by women. That's because those women know that it takes little or no skill to be a promiscuous women but they can contribute a great deal of damage to existing relationships and families.

That's why promiscuous men are commonly seen favourably and promiscuous women are generally treated with scorn. Possibly more so by non-promiscuous women if they admit it (case in point, very few men would boo Jasmine or Luisa).

So yeah Dappy was right. Promiscuous women are seen as disgusting while promiscuous men are. The only bit I don't get is why a man would get angry about promiscuous women (unless you partnered up with one of course) as generally they are doing us a massive favour.

The 1950s are calling you back.

Argue the point not the hashtag

Oh please.
You are expressing your prehistoric misogynistic views as fact, but you are probably a troll, so I wont feed you.

Desyboy your post is sexist in the extreme and absolute bollocks

Has it occurred to you that pulling 5 women in a night is just mopping up the ones who would sleep with anyone do isn't such an achievement.

You are right less women are promiscuous - perhaps due to socialisation - but women don't have the same physical restrictions as men so can keep going as long as they want to and may feel the need to find another partner to achieve satisfaction if the first ones are duds.

I'm expressing them as opinion backed with reasoning. To try and deny that generally there are different approaches and attitude to sex between men and women is an argument that is based in an unreal utopia. So to pretend that the general standards for men and women involving sex are the same is ridiculous. If it was then women would be praticising chat up lines on men, visiting strip clubs regularly and we'd have lots of soft porn channels with half naked men writhing around trying to get women to chat. The attitudes to sex GENERALLY are different so the reputations garnered for the same actions tend to be different. And in my experience women are just as culpable in slut shaming and the such.

Unless I am completely misunderstanding the OP is not supporting the comments he makes. He does not declare whether or not he approves of this situation but simply sets out the zeitgeist as he sees it.

Lamentably I think there is a lot of truth in what he says. I hate these double standards but they exist and are felt (by me because I select my friends to be like minded as do many of us) most strongly within the virtual four walls of this forum.

If I had a pound for every time I have sighed at the forums judgement of women for relatively minor breeches of some, to my mind, out moded set of social and sexual mores - well I don't suppose I could retire but could have a jolly good holiday.

Maybe so. But if that was the case every guy would be able to do it and there would be no books or classes teaching men how to do it. Its a backhanded compliment. Women tend to be more discerning and tend to hold a higher standard when it comes to sex. So when a woman is perceived to have dropped that standard they are often chastised by men and crucially other women.

Thank you. My point exactly.

as opposed to the women who won't sleep with anyone? if so then one group of women are indeed perceived to occupy a higher status in society today than the other.

I think any woman who sleeps with 5 guys in one night is a disgrace.
Absolutely no self respect and nothing at all to be proud of.

This shouldn't even need to be a discussion.
It's just fact.
OP is 100% correct in everything said in his post.

I agree.

what I wrote earlier on another dappy discussion:

Is a man who sleeps with 5 women, or men, in one night a disgrace with nothing to be proud of? Genuine question.

If Dappy had merely said that he was just expressing society's view about female sexual behaviour, then it would be ok. He could have just explained that that's what a lot of people (sadly) think, and not say whether or not he agrees with it. He, as Jasmine did, could have said it was equally disgraceful/wrong for anyone to sleep with 5 people in one night, but he limited it to women.

The fact of the matter was that he agreed that it wasn't right for a woman to sleep with 5 men, but it was for men, and expressed it in such a derogatory way using the words "slut", "slag" and "whore".

Not a fan of Snow White then?

OP is 100% correct


Why do modern day feminists think 'misogyny' means 'disagreeing with a woman in any way', have they never checked the dictionary? I'm so sick of constantly misused buzzwords being used to try and 'scare' people into backing down

Which you seem remarkably deficient of!

You are just using circular logic. Because there are a lot of people, like you and Dappy, who hold these Neanderthal views, about how males and females should be perceived, you then use this fact to justify that view.

Do you not see how ludicrous an argument that is?

There are plenty of racists out there as well so I suppose a racist could use that fact to defend his views as well.

Just circular bollocks my friend.




Maggie

Dappy was right and the OP is right. This is how it is in todays nightclubs. Men who are successful at enticing women into sex are legends. For women its different because they dont even have to try, they'llalways find a bloke who is up for it.

A Woman who sleeps with 5 men in one night is a disgrace and anyone who thinks its ok is too.
Any guy who seeks to have sex with 5 women in one night doesnt earn much respect from me either, he wouldnt have much respect for women if he did.

No one would want there mother/daughter/sister/wife to sleep with loads of guys in a night, but when its someone elses daughter/sister its ok?

Naturally you would be more protective over your Daughter/mum than your Dad or Son, thats why society is more against women behaving like that. Its just a fact.
Keep it real

I agree with the OP I think Dappy was right in the argument as well he just didn't express his points properly .

And this is where I start to have a problem with it (Not you Will your post is just contains a handy illustration to tap into).

If it is OK for a man to have sex with 5 women in a night it SHOULD in this day and age be equally acceptable for a woman to do likewise with 5 men (women are after all biologically better equipped to manage it - so it seems nature doesn't mind.

The fact that it is not, is a social construct and one that I believe to be outdated and unjust and therefore worth fighting against. The OP is probably right when he comments that in the current climate the expectation of equal judgement or acceptance between the sexes is idealistic.

It is also true that women are as likely to censure women for so called promiscuous behaviour as men. I hadn't realised the extent of this until I started reading fora like this that I realised how prevalent it appears to be. Women judging women in this respect saddens me.

In the case of men who separate women into two camps in this manner - Men love these women as they can get their way with them too. They just would never want their own GF, daughter or sister to be one. perhaps don't think this through very logically.

I am thinking of the men who see women as nice women who don't and "not so nice" women who do. They then choose a nice woman who doesn't (much) as their life partner. Then wonder why they aren't getting any and have affairs or enter commercial arrangements with a "not so nice" women who will.

OK I am slightly tongue in cheek in my simplification here but put in these terms the distinction and judgement makes no sense and seems to be to the detriment of men as much as women.

PS I am not sure I think it is acceptable for a man to have sex with 5 women in a night but if I ever find one capable I will let you know.

I would agree with this. Jasmine was making his point much better than he was, but he was too busy shouting over her to hear.


Although this shouldn't be the case, it is generally. I've never understood it though myself, how would it be possible for men to be promiscuous if they don't have willing partners to be promiscuous with? It's never made sense.

I hate the word promiscuous It's so out-dated. I'm 50 and had sex before I got married, I never considered myself to be promiscuous, merely exercising my right as a single person to do what I chose (safely of course). The men I was sleeping with were doing the same. Nobody ever called me names or put me down, my sex life was my own business.

Hahaha Let the female population know too, there will be a queue outside his door