I personally would wonder what their justification is. I think slits exist- both male and female ones. In think it is OK to deplore promiscuity but I have a problem with gender discrimination.

I must admit that I worry we as a society are going backwards. Feminism has become a dirty word. Some men see empowered women as a threat and some women seem to hold the view that they can't claim to be a feminist without others thinking that they are ball crushing lesbians who hate men. There is more emphasis now than ever in the media on ideals of physical beauty that women feel they must live up to and far less on just being an individual.

Hasn't it always gone in waves? Backlash after the jazz babes of the 20s, women working in munitions of the 40s, sexual emancipation of the 60s. Each generation has to defend and extend its rights and work through gender issues. It's been happening for millennia

Great post and no you're not old fashioned because the sad fact is there will always be people who hold prejudiced views.Speaking as a guy what i find the most disturbing is women who also believe in the sexist double standards that apply to them and encourage it by using terms like whore,slut.

The English Dictionary defines words not life.

Couldn't agree more.

Yes and that definition can be applied to the way someone is behaving for example dappy being sexist.

Of course it is possible to attack what Luisa said without remotely supporting what Dappy said....

I totally agree. I can't bear hearing women make excuses for the bad behavior of men while attacking other women for doing the same thing.

"Wah I don't like that Dappy has been sexist so the dictionary means nothing! "

He has sexist attitudes. He might not be a woman hater, but he does say some things that are sexist.

OP, you're not old fashioned at all. This forum is just stuck in the 40s when it comes to their expectations of women.

I really dislike the pressure on young women in the media and music business to look sexy. If you have talent you shouldn't need to go around in your underwear to get attention. I know this view will be considered old fashioned now but I feel that it is a step backwards.

I agree with you, it's also why some of my fav modern female singers are adele and leona.

Some feminists, in actuality, are intolerable to deal with.

Some.

Every movement has loudmouths. You notice them more precisely because they're loud.

What's wrong, dead wrong, is the way cowardly sexists/bigots imply the exceptions are the rule. That because we've all probably encountered one loudmouth femi-nazi, screaming about "male oppression" while unfairly laying into any man handy at the drop of a hat, that we're willing to believe that they're ALL loudmouth idiots, and that we'll buy ANY assertions made about how feminism as a whole is a crock.

It's akin to insisting that every Catholic Priest rapes little children, because one group of them did. Or that every Irish person spends most of their life drunk, because its become a stereotype. It's projecting the worst impression of a minority onto a whole in a crass effort to discredit all of them.

Absolutely wonderful post op and such a refreshing change to the sexist views that are often spouted on here ( and dont even get me started on the monster feminism thread in the GD forum).

I couldn't agree more. Obviously models are likely to be stereotypically beautiful, since that is their job. But that is it, really. Hollywood films seem almost incapable of casting anyone who looks ordinary in any female role at all. It is actually quite grotesque hearing Michaela Conlin - http://ilarge.listal.com/image/20906...ela-conlin.jpg - on Bones constantly making self-deprecating jokes about her weight and looks. She is American tv's idea of a 'normal' woman, to distinguish her from the thinner and more glamorous Tamara Taylor and Emily Deschanel. And when did we start demanding movie star looks from people whose looks should be totally irrelevant? Publishers turning down novels from women who are not pretty enough because they won't be able to 'promote' them? Classical musicians being judged on what they look like, and not how well they play?

I genuinely don't think I ever have, and surely their number must be very few. How would such a woman deal with her sons, nephews etc?

Let us know your wedding date & we'll all gate crash the reception

Not even online? On boards like this, or as part of a Twitter war? Wow.

Ah never mind. My main point was that extremists being projected as the whole of a movement is a coward's move, but it's exactly what we're seeing here on this board with all the ranting about "feminists".

'A woman can't do what a man does and still be a lady'

That's the lyrics from a song of my youth and it's as true now as it was back then - 30-odd years ago.

Wrong? Probably - but that's the reality.

Don't worry about that it was a great post. Well said

A lady? So women who now successfully occupy work roles that used to be the exclusive preserve of men are demeaned as women - that is them implication of your post.

Agree, however men in the music industry have the same pressure too. The demographic who listen to the music though tend to be young women, not men.

Thank You.. Unfortunately yes some people do seem to keep the prejudice views. Im just not sure how they can justify them.



Zelda Fan basically answered for me


Of course it is. I tried to be careful enough to say that its not me taking Luisa's side over Dappy's. That wasn't the point I was trying to make. Its a shame most people just can't see that it is possible. The way Dappy went about it was 100% out of order for me.


Thanks Glad to know some are agreeing with me.


Yeah im kinda glad you brought this up. A lot of people who have met me and I have told them im a Male Feminist can't seem to grasp it because they picture a similar thing.

There are some feminists that take the literal meaning too far. For example 1 Female Feminist who I met got annoyed when I opened a door for her, because you know I only did it because she was a woman apparently. Nothing to do with that if im walking through a door and I see someone walking that way wanting to go through I will wait and hold it open for them regardless of Gender its just manners. That is taking it too far but it takes too much highlight away from the real movement of feminists.


Thank you very much And yes as I stated in my above reply.


Hahaha well that will all depend. Bloody Expensive . We were aiming for this summer (She wants to get married at a church but then have reception at Latitude Festivalo which we attend every year with friends) but it may be on the back burner till next year now.


Thanks very much.

Exactly - it seems we have to be on one side or the other.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be dismayed at the absolute backward ignorance of anyone who thinks it's ok for men to sleep around but not women , or tbh , who thinks they have any right to a say on other peoples perfectly legal sex lives , I don't care if they put it all out there , it's wrong to judge people for that.

I think this misunderstands what a dictionary is. It is a guide to current (and historical in a good dictionary) usage. Words do not carry intrinsic meaning they are merely abstract sounds that carry the meaning and connotations prevailing in the community that use that language at any point in time.

Words change meaning dramatically over time. At this point in time the word slut carries negative connotations. In the main it is used as a term of insult with the possible exception of use in a jocular context. Very few people (if any) would perceive the term to be flattering or complimentary.