Jasmine survived her father's suicide and her mother's subsequent absence, She lived in and out of group homes and shelters, until she was put in an all girl's maximum security school at the young age of 16. Her background is not that colorful.
There's more to Jasmine than meets the eye
Jasmine is brilliant - I love her outlook on life. She literally doesn't give a shit and she's crazy.
Originally Posted by QueenPixie:
“Jasmine survived her father's suicide and her mother's subsequent absence, She lived in and out of group homes and shelters, until she was put in an all girl's maximum security school at the young age of 16. Her background is not that colorful.”
“Jasmine survived her father's suicide and her mother's subsequent absence, She lived in and out of group homes and shelters, until she was put in an all girl's maximum security school at the young age of 16. Her background is not that colorful.”
Her background is certainly colourful!
Has she talked (on anything that aired at least) about why she helped David Arquette cheat on his wife? More than her sex tape, or a drug arrest more than 13 years ago, it's the one really morally murky thing in her past I'd like to hear her explain (and see if she has any remorse).
If she simply expressed the view, for example, that Arquette told her that he had an open marriage, or that he was on the outs with his wife already anyway, or if she simply admitted it was a mistake on her part, I'd be okay with it. Heck, even if she said "Courtney Cox is an enormous bitch who was making him unhappy and I fell in love with him" well... I might not agree with her morality, but at least it wouldn't seem like she just plain hadn't even bothered to THINK about what it means to be The Other Woman (who really has a lot less responsibility than the cheating husband, but especially in a case where she knows 100% he's married does bear SOME).
If she simply expressed the view, for example, that Arquette told her that he had an open marriage, or that he was on the outs with his wife already anyway, or if she simply admitted it was a mistake on her part, I'd be okay with it. Heck, even if she said "Courtney Cox is an enormous bitch who was making him unhappy and I fell in love with him" well... I might not agree with her morality, but at least it wouldn't seem like she just plain hadn't even bothered to THINK about what it means to be The Other Woman (who really has a lot less responsibility than the cheating husband, but especially in a case where she knows 100% he's married does bear SOME).
Originally Posted by QueenPixie:
“Jasmine survived her father's suicide and her mother's subsequent absence, She lived in and out of group homes and shelters, until she was put in an all girl's maximum security school at the young age of 16. Her background is not that colorful.”
“Jasmine survived her father's suicide and her mother's subsequent absence, She lived in and out of group homes and shelters, until she was put in an all girl's maximum security school at the young age of 16. Her background is not that colorful.”
Could you blame her though? things like that can send people over he edge! I lost both my parents at a young age and it sent m off the rails a bit until I sorted things out! Give the girl a break she's a great housemate, I wouldn't mind her winning at all
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“Has she talked (on anything that aired at least) about why she helped David Arquette cheat on his wife? More than her sex tape, or a drug arrest more than 13 years ago, it's the one really morally murky thing in her past I'd like to hear her explain (and see if she has any remorse).
If she simply expressed the view, for example, that Arquette told her that he had an open marriage, or that he was on the outs with his wife already anyway, or if she simply admitted it was a mistake on her part, I'd be okay with it. Heck, even if she said "Courtney Cox is an enormous bitch who was making him unhappy and I fell in love with him" well... I might not agree with her morality, but at least it wouldn't seem like she just plain hadn't even bothered to THINK about what it means to be The Other Woman (who really has a lot less responsibility than the cheating husband, but especially in a case where she knows 100% he's married does bear SOME).”
“Has she talked (on anything that aired at least) about why she helped David Arquette cheat on his wife? More than her sex tape, or a drug arrest more than 13 years ago, it's the one really morally murky thing in her past I'd like to hear her explain (and see if she has any remorse).
If she simply expressed the view, for example, that Arquette told her that he had an open marriage, or that he was on the outs with his wife already anyway, or if she simply admitted it was a mistake on her part, I'd be okay with it. Heck, even if she said "Courtney Cox is an enormous bitch who was making him unhappy and I fell in love with him" well... I might not agree with her morality, but at least it wouldn't seem like she just plain hadn't even bothered to THINK about what it means to be The Other Woman (who really has a lot less responsibility than the cheating husband, but especially in a case where she knows 100% he's married does bear SOME).”
Why should 'the other woman' take any responsibility? It's not her who was married. And no, I'm no fan of Jasmine whatsoever, but I've never understood that way of thinking.
Originally Posted by sycamore:
“Why should 'the other woman' take any responsibility? It's not her who was married. And no, I'm no fan of Jasmine whatsoever, but I've never understood that way of thinking.”
“Why should 'the other woman' take any responsibility? It's not her who was married. And no, I'm no fan of Jasmine whatsoever, but I've never understood that way of thinking.”
I believe there's SOME shared responsibility, at least in cases like this where she 100% knew he was married, although it's only a tiny fraction of the husband's share.
His sin is cheating. Hers isn't. Her responsibility isn't anywhere near a sin, but it's still a case of being a somewhat crappy person, because there are tons of men out there who AREN'T married and yet she's chosen one who she knows is.
Maybe "responsibility" is the wrong word, since it implies a debt. There's no debt, but there's definitely a strain of foolishness and inconsideration in anyone who does this. If you really love the guy somehow, you make his #@^% get a divorce, or at least a formal separation.
Originally Posted by QueenPixie:
“she was put in an all girl's maximum security school at the young age of 16.”
“she was put in an all girl's maximum security school at the young age of 16.”
serious question - is this another term for juvenile correctional facility?
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“I believe there's SOME shared responsibility, at least in cases like this where she 100% knew he was married, although it's only a tiny fraction of the husband's share.
His sin is cheating. Hers isn't. Her responsibility isn't anywhere near a sin, but it's still a case of being a somewhat crappy person, because there are tons of men out there who AREN'T married and yet she's chosen one who she knows is.
Maybe "responsibility" is the wrong word, since it implies a debt. There's no debt, but there's definitely a strain of foolishness and inconsideration in anyone who does this. If you really love the guy somehow, you make his #@^% get a divorce, or at least a formal separation.”
“I believe there's SOME shared responsibility, at least in cases like this where she 100% knew he was married, although it's only a tiny fraction of the husband's share.
His sin is cheating. Hers isn't. Her responsibility isn't anywhere near a sin, but it's still a case of being a somewhat crappy person, because there are tons of men out there who AREN'T married and yet she's chosen one who she knows is.
Maybe "responsibility" is the wrong word, since it implies a debt. There's no debt, but there's definitely a strain of foolishness and inconsideration in anyone who does this. If you really love the guy somehow, you make his #@^% get a divorce, or at least a formal separation.”
I just honestly don't get it, I understand the argument but I just can't 'buy' it (for want of a better expression). It doesn't even seem like being a crappy person, whatever's going on inside a marriage is the business of the two people in it, and if one of them's started cheating it's not because of someone outside it, it's because of whatever's going on within it. It's too easy for people to stray, and then blame the third party when they decide to go back to their spouse, it doesn't mean it's actually in any way the third person's fault. Even if someone actively pursues someone who's in a relationship, they have the ability to say no, if they choose to stray it's their choice, and their choice alone.
Sorry, I seem to feel more strongly about this than I realised
Originally Posted by sycamore:
“I just honestly don't get it, I understand the argument but I just can't 'buy' it (for want of a better expression). It doesn't even seem like being a crappy person, whatever's going on inside a marriage is the business of the two people in it, and if one of them's started cheating it's not because of someone outside it, it's because of whatever's going on within it. It's too easy for people to stray, and then blame the third party when they decide to go back to their spouse, it doesn't mean it's actually in any way the third person's fault. Even if someone actively pursues someone who's in a relationship, they have the ability to say no, if they choose to stray it's their choice, and their choice alone.
Sorry, I seem to feel more strongly about this than I realised”
“I just honestly don't get it, I understand the argument but I just can't 'buy' it (for want of a better expression). It doesn't even seem like being a crappy person, whatever's going on inside a marriage is the business of the two people in it, and if one of them's started cheating it's not because of someone outside it, it's because of whatever's going on within it. It's too easy for people to stray, and then blame the third party when they decide to go back to their spouse, it doesn't mean it's actually in any way the third person's fault. Even if someone actively pursues someone who's in a relationship, they have the ability to say no, if they choose to stray it's their choice, and their choice alone.
Sorry, I seem to feel more strongly about this than I realised
”
You are of course 100% correct, I think Kromm is just pointing out that despite the 3rd party not being at fault or responsible, it doesn't exactly make them a shining beacon of virtue, it still means morally they could be seen as on dodgy ground morally, of course they are within their right to say "well I wasn't married" but other people will probably judge their moral compass, because as the third party they could have said, "I'm not willing to be a part of causing hurt to another person "
In the same way it's not ok to have someone's cake because they left it unattended at their desk and said they don't really like it anyway even if it's your favourite cake.
Btw as a HM I adore Jasmine.
Originally Posted by sycamore:
“I just honestly don't get it, I understand the argument but I just can't 'buy' it (for want of a better expression). It doesn't even seem like being a crappy person, whatever's going on inside a marriage is the business of the two people in it, and if one of them's started cheating it's not because of someone outside it, it's because of whatever's going on within it. It's too easy for people to stray, and then blame the third party when they decide to go back to their spouse, it doesn't mean it's actually in any way the third person's fault. Even if someone actively pursues someone who's in a relationship, they have the ability to say no, if they choose to stray it's their choice, and their choice alone.
Sorry, I seem to feel more strongly about this than I realised”
“I just honestly don't get it, I understand the argument but I just can't 'buy' it (for want of a better expression). It doesn't even seem like being a crappy person, whatever's going on inside a marriage is the business of the two people in it, and if one of them's started cheating it's not because of someone outside it, it's because of whatever's going on within it. It's too easy for people to stray, and then blame the third party when they decide to go back to their spouse, it doesn't mean it's actually in any way the third person's fault. Even if someone actively pursues someone who's in a relationship, they have the ability to say no, if they choose to stray it's their choice, and their choice alone.
Sorry, I seem to feel more strongly about this than I realised
”
I totally agree with you. It's called not accepting personal responsibility and conveniently putting the blame on the third party. The furore over Hazel, Daley and his girlfriend on this forum last year nearly drove me mad. I was staggered about the number of women who called Hazel all names under the sun when she wasn't the person who cheated.
I don't know enough about Jasmine to comment on her life but I like the fact she doesn't whinge or try to blame other people for anything. She is more mature and self aware than I thought she would be.
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“You are of course 100% correct, I think Kromm is just pointing out that despite the 3rd party not being at fault or responsible, it doesn't exactly make them a shining beacon of virtue, it still means morally they could be seen as on dodgy ground morally, of course they are within their right to say "well I wasn't married" but other people will probably judge their moral compass, because as the third party they could have said, "I'm not willing to be a part of causing hurt to another person "
In the same way it's not ok to have someone's cake because they left it unattended at their desk and said they don't really like it anyway even if it's your favourite cake.
Btw as a HM I adore Jasmine.”
“You are of course 100% correct, I think Kromm is just pointing out that despite the 3rd party not being at fault or responsible, it doesn't exactly make them a shining beacon of virtue, it still means morally they could be seen as on dodgy ground morally, of course they are within their right to say "well I wasn't married" but other people will probably judge their moral compass, because as the third party they could have said, "I'm not willing to be a part of causing hurt to another person "
In the same way it's not ok to have someone's cake because they left it unattended at their desk and said they don't really like it anyway even if it's your favourite cake.
Btw as a HM I adore Jasmine.”
Why try and explain for Kromm when they spoke clearly enough for themselves, saying "I believe there's SOME shared responsibility."
You can't wish that away. It was pretty clear, albeit incorrect.
From what I can see Jasmine is very Los Angeles/Los Vegas plastic and totally over the top as you would expect. I don't think her IQ matches her high score in the beauty stakes though, she is fairly shallow in my opinion.
She is impatient, impulsive and extremely low in the self aware stakes. I see her hanging around with a 'certain' type of girlfriend and enjoying flashing her body to anyone who is interested, I reckon she has a few interesting clubbing stories!. The fact she has never seen her sex tape let alone knew how long it lasted shows she just does things for fame and fortune...does she care? Not really! I think she has met her match with Luisa and an argument between those two would I think be very interesting to say the least!
As for TV entertainment, she is gold
She is impatient, impulsive and extremely low in the self aware stakes. I see her hanging around with a 'certain' type of girlfriend and enjoying flashing her body to anyone who is interested, I reckon she has a few interesting clubbing stories!. The fact she has never seen her sex tape let alone knew how long it lasted shows she just does things for fame and fortune...does she care? Not really! I think she has met her match with Luisa and an argument between those two would I think be very interesting to say the least!
As for TV entertainment, she is gold
Originally Posted by debi:
“From what I can see Jasmine is very Los Angeles/Los Vegas plastic and totally over the top as you would expect. I don't think her IQ matches her high score in the beauty stakes though, she is fairly shallow in my opinion.
She is impatient, impulsive and extremely low in the self aware stakes. I see her hanging around with a 'certain' type of girlfriend and enjoying flashing her body to anyone who is interested, I reckon she has a few interesting clubbing stories!. The fact she has never seen her sex tape let alone knew how long it lasted shows she just does things for fame and fortune...does she care? Not really! I think she has met her match with Luisa and an argument between those two would I think be very interesting to say the least!
As for TV entertainment, she is gold”
“From what I can see Jasmine is very Los Angeles/Los Vegas plastic and totally over the top as you would expect. I don't think her IQ matches her high score in the beauty stakes though, she is fairly shallow in my opinion.
She is impatient, impulsive and extremely low in the self aware stakes. I see her hanging around with a 'certain' type of girlfriend and enjoying flashing her body to anyone who is interested, I reckon she has a few interesting clubbing stories!. The fact she has never seen her sex tape let alone knew how long it lasted shows she just does things for fame and fortune...does she care? Not really! I think she has met her match with Luisa and an argument between those two would I think be very interesting to say the least!
As for TV entertainment, she is gold
”
Solid gold.
Originally Posted by debi:
“From what I can see Jasmine is very Los Angeles/Los Vegas plastic and totally over the top as you would expect. I don't think her IQ matches her high score in the beauty stakes though, she is fairly shallow in my opinion.
She is impatient, impulsive and extremely low in the self aware stakes. I see her hanging around with a 'certain' type of girlfriend and enjoying flashing her body to anyone who is interested, I reckon she has a few interesting clubbing stories!. The fact she has never seen her sex tape let alone knew how long it lasted shows she just does things for fame and fortune...does she care? Not really! I think she has met her match with Luisa and an argument between those two would I think be very interesting to say the least!
As for TV entertainment, she is gold”
“From what I can see Jasmine is very Los Angeles/Los Vegas plastic and totally over the top as you would expect. I don't think her IQ matches her high score in the beauty stakes though, she is fairly shallow in my opinion.
She is impatient, impulsive and extremely low in the self aware stakes. I see her hanging around with a 'certain' type of girlfriend and enjoying flashing her body to anyone who is interested, I reckon she has a few interesting clubbing stories!. The fact she has never seen her sex tape let alone knew how long it lasted shows she just does things for fame and fortune...does she care? Not really! I think she has met her match with Luisa and an argument between those two would I think be very interesting to say the least!
As for TV entertainment, she is gold
”
She knew how long it was. She just didn't know which one they were asking about.
Originally Posted by kelly_11:
“She knew how long it was. She just didn't know which one they were asking about.”
“She knew how long it was. She just didn't know which one they were asking about.”
She has more than one?
Someone PM some links!
(what a horrible ugly grin face! Why did DS have to change this?!).
Thanks so much for such interesting replies, BMLisa and Haphash
Tbh I don't even see that morally they're on dodgy ground at all. I honestly don't think it's possible to 'steal' someone else's partner, a person can't be stolen, they go willingly even if they later make up lies pretending they didn't. If you love the person you're with it's not that hard to say no, no matter how attracted and tempted you might be.
I don't think that works as an analogy because the cake can't say 'ooh no, don't eat me, I belong to another' but a husband/wife/GF/BF can, and would if they loved their original owner more than the cake-stealer (if that makes any sense!).
Exactly, I never got the blaming Hazel thing either (even though I also didn't like Hazel, though that was because she reminds me too much of someone I know and dislike intensely, not really because of anything to do specifically with BB). Daley was always the one responsible for his own relationship, he even changed his mind about whether or not he was in a relationship during the show once he'd set his sights on Hazel!
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“You are of course 100% correct, I think Kromm is just pointing out that despite the 3rd party not being at fault or responsible, it doesn't exactly make them a shining beacon of virtue, it still means morally they could be seen as on dodgy ground morally, of course they are within their right to say "well I wasn't married" but other people will probably judge their moral compass, because as the third party they could have said, "I'm not willing to be a part of causing hurt to another person "”
“You are of course 100% correct, I think Kromm is just pointing out that despite the 3rd party not being at fault or responsible, it doesn't exactly make them a shining beacon of virtue, it still means morally they could be seen as on dodgy ground morally, of course they are within their right to say "well I wasn't married" but other people will probably judge their moral compass, because as the third party they could have said, "I'm not willing to be a part of causing hurt to another person "”
Tbh I don't even see that morally they're on dodgy ground at all. I honestly don't think it's possible to 'steal' someone else's partner, a person can't be stolen, they go willingly even if they later make up lies pretending they didn't. If you love the person you're with it's not that hard to say no, no matter how attracted and tempted you might be.
Quote:
“In the same way it's not ok to have someone's cake because they left it unattended at their desk and said they don't really like it anyway even if it's your favourite cake.
Btw as a HM I adore Jasmine.”
“In the same way it's not ok to have someone's cake because they left it unattended at their desk and said they don't really like it anyway even if it's your favourite cake.
Btw as a HM I adore Jasmine.”
I don't think that works as an analogy because the cake can't say 'ooh no, don't eat me, I belong to another' but a husband/wife/GF/BF can, and would if they loved their original owner more than the cake-stealer (if that makes any sense!).
Originally Posted by haphash:
“I totally agree with you. It's called not accepting personal responsibility and conveniently putting the blame on the third party. The furore over Hazel, Daley and his girlfriend on this forum last year nearly drove me mad. I was staggered about the number of women who called Hazel all names under the sun when she wasn't the person who cheated.
I don't know enough about Jasmine to comment on her life but I like the fact she doesn't whinge or try to blame other people for anything. She is more mature and self aware than I thought she would be.”
“I totally agree with you. It's called not accepting personal responsibility and conveniently putting the blame on the third party. The furore over Hazel, Daley and his girlfriend on this forum last year nearly drove me mad. I was staggered about the number of women who called Hazel all names under the sun when she wasn't the person who cheated.
I don't know enough about Jasmine to comment on her life but I like the fact she doesn't whinge or try to blame other people for anything. She is more mature and self aware than I thought she would be.”
Exactly, I never got the blaming Hazel thing either (even though I also didn't like Hazel, though that was because she reminds me too much of someone I know and dislike intensely, not really because of anything to do specifically with BB). Daley was always the one responsible for his own relationship, he even changed his mind about whether or not he was in a relationship during the show once he'd set his sights on Hazel!
Originally Posted by EnricoIV:
“Why try and explain for Kromm when they spoke clearly enough for themselves, saying "I believe there's SOME shared responsibility."
You can't wish that away. It was pretty clear, albeit incorrect.”
“Why try and explain for Kromm when they spoke clearly enough for themselves, saying "I believe there's SOME shared responsibility."
You can't wish that away. It was pretty clear, albeit incorrect.”
You're conveniently leaving out that I amended my statement to say that "responsibility" might be too strong a word.
Lets put it in terms of blame. The 3rd party isn't to blame for someone's infidelity, because that's all on them.
But knowingly allowing yourself to be part of something which causes someone suffering is definitely a real and valid dent in someone's morality. It's not on the same scale as the person who made vows and broke them, but at the very least it's the moral equivalent of... lets say... seeing someone robbing a house and deliberately not calling the police (thus allowing someone else to be victimized when you could have stopped it). Or maybe it's even a step further. Hmm. Lets say you worked on Shia LaBouf's movie where he plagiarized that other guy. And you KNEW from the moment you read the script that LaBouf intended to do it. And you actively participated in helping him make this thing where he plagiarized, even though the ultimate decision and responsibility was his. That's what being a willing "other woman" is like, perhaps. You have no direct responsibility, but you know it's wrong, you benefit from it in some way, and you say nothing, nor do you choose to walk away--even knowing a third party is being wronged.
Thanks for your replies, it's a really interesting discussion
I just really don't get it, I'm sorry, I understand what you say but I just don't agree with it. I think your argument is based on the idea of the cheated on partner being completely innocent and blameless, but a loyal, faithful, happy partner doesn't suddenly cheat on a whim. They cheat because something has gone wrong with the relationship, and the responsibility for keeping a relationship good belongs with both people in it. Cheating might be a cheap and easy way of avoiding dealing with it, but that's down to the cheater, not the person he gets involved with. And both people in the marriage are responsible for the relationship reaching that stage, and for not either trying to fix it or walking away before it got to the point of one person cheating.
And even if you want to take the position that the third party shares some blame, none of us knows what David told Jasmine about the state of his marriage. If he'd told her it was utterly dead and they were both just going through the motions, would that be considered as bad on Jasmine's part as if he'd pretended he still wanted to be married to Courtney?
And, well, about the seeing a burglary, well I actually witnessed one, and considered whether or not I felt it appropriate to phone the police before I decided it was, it certainly wasn't just a burglar = police thing. Maybe I'm just morally ambivalent or something :/
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“You're conveniently leaving out that I amended my statement to say that "responsibility" might be too strong a word.
Lets put it in terms of blame. The 3rd party isn't to blame for someone's infidelity, because that's all on them.
But knowingly allowing yourself to be part of something which causes someone suffering is definitely a real and valid dent in someone's morality. It's not on the same scale as the person who made vows and broke them, but at the very least it's the moral equivalent of... lets say... seeing someone robbing a house and deliberately not calling the police (thus allowing someone else to be victimized when you could have stopped it). Or maybe it's even a step further. Hmm. Lets say you worked on Shia LaBouf's movie where he plagiarized that other guy. And you KNEW from the moment you read the script that LaBouf intended to do it. And you actively participated in helping him make this thing where he plagiarized, even though the ultimate decision and responsibility was his. That's what being a willing "other woman" is like, perhaps. You have no direct responsibility, but you know it's wrong, you benefit from it in some way, and you say nothing, nor do you choose to walk away--even knowing a third party is being wronged.”
“You're conveniently leaving out that I amended my statement to say that "responsibility" might be too strong a word.
Lets put it in terms of blame. The 3rd party isn't to blame for someone's infidelity, because that's all on them.
But knowingly allowing yourself to be part of something which causes someone suffering is definitely a real and valid dent in someone's morality. It's not on the same scale as the person who made vows and broke them, but at the very least it's the moral equivalent of... lets say... seeing someone robbing a house and deliberately not calling the police (thus allowing someone else to be victimized when you could have stopped it). Or maybe it's even a step further. Hmm. Lets say you worked on Shia LaBouf's movie where he plagiarized that other guy. And you KNEW from the moment you read the script that LaBouf intended to do it. And you actively participated in helping him make this thing where he plagiarized, even though the ultimate decision and responsibility was his. That's what being a willing "other woman" is like, perhaps. You have no direct responsibility, but you know it's wrong, you benefit from it in some way, and you say nothing, nor do you choose to walk away--even knowing a third party is being wronged.”
I just really don't get it, I'm sorry, I understand what you say but I just don't agree with it. I think your argument is based on the idea of the cheated on partner being completely innocent and blameless, but a loyal, faithful, happy partner doesn't suddenly cheat on a whim. They cheat because something has gone wrong with the relationship, and the responsibility for keeping a relationship good belongs with both people in it. Cheating might be a cheap and easy way of avoiding dealing with it, but that's down to the cheater, not the person he gets involved with. And both people in the marriage are responsible for the relationship reaching that stage, and for not either trying to fix it or walking away before it got to the point of one person cheating.
And even if you want to take the position that the third party shares some blame, none of us knows what David told Jasmine about the state of his marriage. If he'd told her it was utterly dead and they were both just going through the motions, would that be considered as bad on Jasmine's part as if he'd pretended he still wanted to be married to Courtney?
And, well, about the seeing a burglary, well I actually witnessed one, and considered whether or not I felt it appropriate to phone the police before I decided it was, it certainly wasn't just a burglar = police thing. Maybe I'm just morally ambivalent or something :/
Originally Posted by sycamore:
“Thanks so much for such interesting replies, BMLisa and Haphash
Tbh I don't even see that morally they're on dodgy ground at all. I honestly don't think it's possible to 'steal' someone else's partner, a person can't be stolen, they go willingly even if they later make up lies pretending they didn't. If you love the person you're with it's not that hard to say no, no matter how attracted and tempted you might be.
I don't think that works as an analogy because the cake can't say 'ooh no, don't eat me, I belong to another' but a husband/wife/GF/BF can, and would if they loved their original owner more than the cake-stealer (if that makes any sense!).
Exactly, I never got the blaming Hazel thing either (even though I also didn't like Hazel, though that was because she reminds me too much of someone I know and dislike intensely, not really because of anything to do specifically with BB). Daley was always the one responsible for his own relationship, he even changed his mind about whether or not he was in a relationship during the show once he'd set his sights on Hazel!”
“Thanks so much for such interesting replies, BMLisa and Haphash
Tbh I don't even see that morally they're on dodgy ground at all. I honestly don't think it's possible to 'steal' someone else's partner, a person can't be stolen, they go willingly even if they later make up lies pretending they didn't. If you love the person you're with it's not that hard to say no, no matter how attracted and tempted you might be.
I don't think that works as an analogy because the cake can't say 'ooh no, don't eat me, I belong to another' but a husband/wife/GF/BF can, and would if they loved their original owner more than the cake-stealer (if that makes any sense!).
Exactly, I never got the blaming Hazel thing either (even though I also didn't like Hazel, though that was because she reminds me too much of someone I know and dislike intensely, not really because of anything to do specifically with BB). Daley was always the one responsible for his own relationship, he even changed his mind about whether or not he was in a relationship during the show once he'd set his sights on Hazel!”
I don't think you can steal a person either, the cake analogy is as close as I can get as humans are unique.
However I do believe you're on dodgy ground morally, as a person can choose whether to gratify themselves or choose to forgo what they want because it would hurt another human being.
I think it's one of those concrete things that you believe or not and it's just down to your personal belief system.
Originally Posted by sycamore:
“And even if you want to take the position that the third party shares some blame, none of us knows what David told Jasmine about the state of his marriage. If he'd told her it was utterly dead and they were both just going through the motions, would that be considered as bad on Jasmine's part as if he'd pretended he still wanted to be married to Courtney?”
“And even if you want to take the position that the third party shares some blame, none of us knows what David told Jasmine about the state of his marriage. If he'd told her it was utterly dead and they were both just going through the motions, would that be considered as bad on Jasmine's part as if he'd pretended he still wanted to be married to Courtney?”
If you go WAY back to my original post on this, this is a possibility I raise. It's why I was curious in the first place if she's spoken about it on the show.
