Mobile Market Share

Night Hawk · 14-01-2014, 14:24

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Surely you would be interested enough in Apple to read the OPS post?
Italy's share halved in 3 months. Spain's was negligible anyway.

Overall Europe fell big in what is Apple's peak 3 months.

I will grant you that the share halved in Italy, but in Spain it increased by 50%? Neither of these stats amount to what you said (pretty much abandoned) anyway!

Quackers · 14-01-2014, 14:29

Apples share might be getting smaller as the market is flooded with junk cheap end phones and tablets, but that market is now bigger than it was. They are still shipping millions and millions of devices. I ordered a 5S as an upgrade a week ago and EE told me they did not have any stock so people are after them.

You can play with stats, for example lets say the market was 1 million smart phones and apple had 25% market share (250,000 mobiles sold), then the market booms flooded with loads of android handsets to 10 million smart phones sold and apples market share drops to 20% (2,000,000 mobiles sold), but wait they have lost 5% market share surly it must be doom and gloom for apple? Erm no.

jonner101 · 14-01-2014, 14:35

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Originally Posted by Night Hawk

It's quite difficult to make a direct comparison between iOS and Android. iOS only exists on one makers devices whereas Android covers a large range of devices from different manufacturers ranging from budget to high end.

Does any single Android maker command 30% of the market?

I fully agree that we are seeing the death throes of Blackberry and that Windows Phone is the only other serious contender now.

I agree an iOS v android comparison isn't too meaningful. I think browser usage ( and it is easy to work out as any website can tell if it is being called from an android or iOS device ) is biased toward iOS because there are so many budget android devices out there.

A more meaningful chart would be total mobile phone share per manufacturer.

alanwarwic · 14-01-2014, 14:54

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Originally Posted by jonner101

.. is biased toward iOS because there are so many budget android devices out there....

Yes, it includes people who just buy it for phone use.

Yet more services on IOS rely on a Cloud data connection. Siri as likely as not sends a heck of lot of data to the cloud. Far more than Google voice. Apple stuff is surprisingly Cloud based.

clonmult · 14-01-2014, 15:01

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Originally Posted by corf

Android has the bulk of the new sales and has had for a while, but people don't seem to be using them. Safari still has over 50% of the mobile browsing market share.

Ah, that legendary and completely disproven claim of Safari at 50% of mobile browsing.

iirc that figure is so hilariously wrong that it should be doing a long running sell out tour of the O2.

calico_pie · 14-01-2014, 15:09

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Originally Posted by clonmult

Apple have done nothing significant since Jobs departed, and no way is that current bean counter in charge going to do anything other than maximise profits. Which is awesome for shareholders ... but longer term vision just isn't there as it used to be - and that is what made Apple great.

So, from the consumer perspective how is Apple going to remain attractive when they've gone from being driven by a man with a very distinct vision, to being run by a bean counter? That is a fundamental shift, and whilst Sir Jonny has some good designs, he's a designer - not a product guy.

Compared to what though?

How many significant things did they do in the 12 years or so Jobs was there?

Arguably the iPod/iTunes and the iPhone/iPad.

It's not like they were pulling something out their arse every time Jobs got on stage.

And not to mention plenty of things under Jobs that completely bombed.

corf · 14-01-2014, 15:10

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Originally Posted by clonmult

Ah, that legendary and completely disproven claim of Safari at 50% of mobile browsing.

iirc that figure is so hilariously wrong that it should be doing a long running sell out tour of the O2.

Got any links?, I had a good search before posting that figure.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/browse...=0&qpcustomd=1

clonmult · 14-01-2014, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Quackers

Apples share might be getting smaller as the market is flooded with junk cheap end phones and tablets, but that market is now bigger than it was. They are still shipping millions and millions of devices. I ordered a 5S as an upgrade a week ago and EE told me they did not have any stock so people are after them.

And its just as possible that EE just got stock levels wrong. They had 3 in stock, all sold before you called them. Being the 4th person to request one you came away disappointed ...

Many ways that something can be painted ....

However there isn't quite the "shine" that there once was on iOS - and to a certain extent I'm feeling the same with Android. Neither has come up with anything interesting on the interface in years, iOS7 was just iOS6 with a theme, the updates from JB through to KitKat have done nothing truly useful for Android.

calico_pie · 14-01-2014, 15:11

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

Would Jobs really have sanctioned the 5C?

You mean a lower priced, lower specced version of a higher priced, higher specced model?

Like the iBook was to the MacBook Pro, the iMac was to the Mac Pro, or the iPod Nano was to the iPod?

No, never.

calico_pie · 14-01-2014, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Holy shit!!

A negative story about apple? Correct me if I'm wrong here but is Android, Blackberry and windows phone not mentioned here? Has it not been mentioned that blackberry is crashing out and windows phone is on the up?

Why the hell do you need to turn absolutely everything into an anti apple story. You seriously have something wrong with you.

Well, I suppose we could just pretend that the thing the OP found interesting wasn't that Apple's market share had fallen...

But who would we be kidding?

calico_pie · 14-01-2014, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Quackers

Apples share might be getting smaller as the market is flooded with junk cheap end phones and tablets, but that market is now bigger than it was. They are still shipping millions and millions of devices. I ordered a 5S as an upgrade a week ago and EE told me they did not have any stock so people are after them.

You can play with stats, for example lets say the market was 1 million smart phones and apple had 25% market share (250,000 mobiles sold), then the market booms flooded with loads of android handsets to 10 million smart phones sold and apples market share drops to 20% (2,000,000 mobiles sold), but wait they have lost 5% market share surly it must be doom and gloom for apple? Erm no.

^ Exactly this.

Night Hawk · 14-01-2014, 16:00

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Originally Posted by clonmult

Ah, that legendary and completely disproven claim of Safari at 50% of mobile browsing.

iirc that figure is so hilariously wrong that it should be doing a long running sell out tour of the O2.

Well, slightly wrong.

Latest figure is 54% Safari - but I won't split hairs with you

jabbamk1 · 14-01-2014, 16:51

A summary of this thread so far

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/181x...f/k-bigpic.gif

swordman · 14-01-2014, 17:00

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Would you rather.....

80% market share and 20% of the profits....?

20% market share and 80% of the profits...?

I thought plenty had been written by now about how market share isn't the be all and all.

I'm assuming that is some take on the Apple position that you are finding too difficult to accept once again? How those figures relate to Apple in any way is bemusing.

What has been written exactly? Are you saying that Apple have got it wrong with the 5c in an attempt to chase market share?

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Don't you get bored trawling the net for negative stories about Apple, and posting them here?

It's called an interest in the mobile market rather than a blinkered apple centric view of the world. Clearly you don't get bored of assaulting every thread with your pro Apple drivel

calico_pie · 14-01-2014, 17:08

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Originally Posted by swordman

I'm assuming that is some take on the Apple position that you are finding too difficult to accept once again? How those figures relate to Apple in any way is bemusing.

What has been written exactly? Are you saying that Apple have got it wrong with the 5c in an attempt to chase market share?

It's called an interest in the mobile market rather than a blinkered apple centric view of the world. Clearly you don't get bored of assaulting every thread with your pro Apple drivel

I'm not finding anything difficult to grasp.

Quackers' post above explains why marker share alone isn't necessarily very revealing.

You keep talking about the 5C with reference to "an attempt to gain market share", but I'm not aware of that ever being said by anyone other than pundits prior its launch, who thought it would maybe be a much cheaper phone.

I'm sure it is just a healthy interest, and the fact that the vast majority of your posts revolve around negative stories about Apple is just a complete coincidence.

swordman · 14-01-2014, 17:22

Posting market share updates do not equate to posting negative stories about apple, the fact you think it reflects that way upon apple says a little more about you CP. As does your need to jump into every thread guns ablazing when you think apple are being slighted.

In relation to the 5c there is nothing to say that it was not about seeking market share either. What we do in these situations CP is speculate what the reasoning behind such decisions may be, you will find in life there is not always a link with the definitive answer. However perhaps you can give a reason why apple would release a second cheaper iphone other than market share?

Quakers has his view but it is very simplistic I'm afraid. Less market share to a degree was ok for apple when it was still healthy and profits were rising. However market share is declining to low levels, in some cases not far ahead of WP. All the while profits have decreased year on year. The 5c was an attempt to boost market share and profits at the same time.

As a manufacturer yes they are still number 2 but if you cannot see the reasons why you would want your ecosystem dominant or vying for it i can't help you. However you like analogies so take the ps3 and xbox. If the ps3 sells 100 million consoles and the xbox sells 5 million but profits are largely the same between them, who do you think is in trouble in the long run?

tdenson · 14-01-2014, 17:48

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

Interesting use of bold there, negating the wording preceding it which indicated 'in the next couple of years'. Are you a lawyer?

Well perhaps instead of " It won't be just Apple who are struggling to compete" you should have said " It won't be just Apple who will be struggling to compete"

tdenson · 14-01-2014, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Quackers

You can play with stats, for example lets say the market was 1 million smart phones and apple had 25% market share (250,000 mobiles sold), then the market booms flooded with loads of android handsets to 10 million smart phones sold and apples market share drops to 20% (2,000,000 mobiles sold), but wait they have lost 5% market share surly it must be doom and gloom for apple? Erm no.

You're hitting your head against a brick wall with that sort of argument here. It's too rational for those who are determined to see doom and gloom in everything Apple related.

tdenson · 14-01-2014, 17:54

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Yet more services on IOS rely on a Cloud data connection. Siri as likely as not sends a heck of lot of data to the cloud. Far more than Google voice. Apple stuff is surprisingly Cloud based.

But I thought the general consensus on here was that nobody uses Siri because it's a load of sh*t. Can't have it both ways.

jabbamk1 · 14-01-2014, 18:00

According to the IDC.

In Q3 2013, Android smartphone shipments were up 51% YOY with 211m units shipped worldwide. Market share also increased from 74.9% to 81%.

Apple smartphone shipments were up 25% YOY with 33.8m units shipped worldwde.
Market share decreased from 14.4% to 12.9%.

Windows Phone saw shipments increase 156% YOY from 3.7m shipped in Q3 2013 to 9.5m shipped in Q3 2013 worldwide. Market share also shot up from 2.0% to 3.6% total.

From this we can see that all operating systems have seen an increase in shipments YOY. (Windows Phone growing the most).

tdenson · 14-01-2014, 18:05

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Holy shit!!

A negative story about apple? Correct me if I'm wrong here but is Android, Blackberry and windows phone not mentioned here? Has it not been mentioned that blackberry is crashing out and windows phone is on the up?

Why the hell do you need to turn absolutely everything into an anti apple story. You seriously have something wrong with you.

Given that Mr Sword in his OP only mentioned Apple and made no mention of those other companies it is quite reasonable to say that it was a negative story about Apple.

Zack06 · 14-01-2014, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Quackers

Apples share might be getting smaller as the market is flooded with junk cheap end phones and tablets, but that market is now bigger than it was. They are still shipping millions and millions of devices. I ordered a 5S as an upgrade a week ago and EE told me they did not have any stock so people are after them.

You can play with stats, for example lets say the market was 1 million smart phones and apple had 25% market share (250,000 mobiles sold), then the market booms flooded with loads of android handsets to 10 million smart phones sold and apples market share drops to 20% (2,000,000 mobiles sold), but wait they have lost 5% market share surly it must be doom and gloom for apple? Erm no.

Sorry but that analogy has no relevance to the real market events of the past few years. It's pointless dreaming up hypothetical figures if they do not even remotely correlate to the reality of the situation.

Apple in 2007 had close to 90% of the mobile market with no competition. Everyone was pretty much dazed by the iPhone and had no idea how to react. Microsoft and Nokia rubbished it, while others sought to compete, Google included.

The iPhone ruled the market near unimpeded, all the way through to 2010, with its variants becoming some of the world's best selling smartphones.

It was Apple's arrogance arising from the iPhone's monumental success that allowed Android to take-off in the first place. Had the Verizon and Sprint iPhones in the US and availability on T-Mobile, Orange and Vodafone in the UK come sooner, it could have been a very very different story today.

The market has indeed been expanding, but Apple's sales have not. One only has to look at the launch figures to see a marked pattern. The sales have been falling while the market as a whole has been expanding. The iPhone 5S sold less at launch than the iPhone 5 while competitor devices such as the Galaxy S3 and S4 are starting to rival iPhone sales figures. Consumer interest in Apple is waning and it certainly isn't the pretty picture you painted it out to be.

Saying that Apple's falling market share and declining sales are disappointing is not "doom and gloom", it is realism.

swordman · 14-01-2014, 18:32

Indeed figure indicate that:

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From the launch of the iPhone 5 in September 2012 through the end of November 2012, Apple’s U.S. share grew from 34.6% to 53.3%. In the same time frame after the launch of the 5s and 5c, Apple’s share grew from 35.9% to 43.1%.

swordman · 14-01-2014, 18:38

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Originally Posted by tdenson

Given that Mr Sword in his OP only mentioned Apple and made no mention of those other companies it is quite reasonable to say that it was a negative story about Apple.

You really are quite sad.

As the market research was conducted by OS, how would individual company figures have been possible. In the three sentences my post constituted, I mentioned android rising, W8 rising and ios falling despite the 5c.

The most pertinent facts, if you wish to cry about apple falling share feel free but shooting the messenger will accomplish nothing

calico_pie · 14-01-2014, 18:48

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Originally Posted by swordman

Indeed figure indicate that:

From the launch of the iPhone 5 in September 2012 through the end of November 2012, Apple’s U.S. share grew from 34.6% to 53.3%. In the same time frame after the launch of the 5s and 5c, Apple’s share grew from 35.9% to 43.1%.

Have you read Quacker's post yet?

14-01-2014, 14:24	#26
Night Hawk Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: High Wycombe Posts: 164	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Surely you would be interested enough in Apple to read the OPS post? Italy's share halved in 3 months. Spain's was negligible anyway. Overall Europe fell big in what is Apple's peak 3 months. I will grant you that the share halved in Italy, but in Spain it increased by 50%? Neither of these stats amount to what you said (pretty much abandoned) anyway!

14-01-2014, 14:29	#27
Quackers Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,665	Apples share might be getting smaller as the market is flooded with junk cheap end phones and tablets, but that market is now bigger than it was. They are still shipping millions and millions of devices. I ordered a 5S as an upgrade a week ago and EE told me they did not have any stock so people are after them. You can play with stats, for example lets say the market was 1 million smart phones and apple had 25% market share (250,000 mobiles sold), then the market booms flooded with loads of android handsets to 10 million smart phones sold and apples market share drops to 20% (2,000,000 mobiles sold), but wait they have lost 5% market share surly it must be doom and gloom for apple? Erm no.

14-01-2014, 14:35	#28
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk It's quite difficult to make a direct comparison between iOS and Android. iOS only exists on one makers devices whereas Android covers a large range of devices from different manufacturers ranging from budget to high end. Does any single Android maker command 30% of the market? I fully agree that we are seeing the death throes of Blackberry and that Windows Phone is the only other serious contender now. I agree an iOS v android comparison isn't too meaningful. I think browser usage ( and it is easy to work out as any website can tell if it is being called from an android or iOS device ) is biased toward iOS because there are so many budget android devices out there. A more meaningful chart would be total mobile phone share per manufacturer.

14-01-2014, 14:54	#29
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 .. is biased toward iOS because there are so many budget android devices out there.... Yes, it includes people who just buy it for phone use. Yet more services on IOS rely on a Cloud data connection. Siri as likely as not sends a heck of lot of data to the cloud. Far more than Google voice. Apple stuff is surprisingly Cloud based.

14-01-2014, 15:01	#30
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by corf Android has the bulk of the new sales and has had for a while, but people don't seem to be using them. Safari still has over 50% of the mobile browsing market share. Ah, that legendary and completely disproven claim of Safari at 50% of mobile browsing. iirc that figure is so hilariously wrong that it should be doing a long running sell out tour of the O2.

14-01-2014, 15:09	#31
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult Apple have done nothing significant since Jobs departed, and no way is that current bean counter in charge going to do anything other than maximise profits. Which is awesome for shareholders ... but longer term vision just isn't there as it used to be - and that is what made Apple great. So, from the consumer perspective how is Apple going to remain attractive when they've gone from being driven by a man with a very distinct vision, to being run by a bean counter? That is a fundamental shift, and whilst Sir Jonny has some good designs, he's a designer - not a product guy. Compared to what though? How many significant things did they do in the 12 years or so Jobs was there? Arguably the iPod/iTunes and the iPhone/iPad. It's not like they were pulling something out their arse every time Jobs got on stage. And not to mention plenty of things under Jobs that completely bombed.

14-01-2014, 15:10	#32
corf Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,458	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult Ah, that legendary and completely disproven claim of Safari at 50% of mobile browsing. iirc that figure is so hilariously wrong that it should be doing a long running sell out tour of the O2. Got any links?, I had a good search before posting that figure. http://www.netmarketshare.com/browse...=0&qpcustomd=1

14-01-2014, 15:11	#33
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by Quackers Apples share might be getting smaller as the market is flooded with junk cheap end phones and tablets, but that market is now bigger than it was. They are still shipping millions and millions of devices. I ordered a 5S as an upgrade a week ago and EE told me they did not have any stock so people are after them. And its just as possible that EE just got stock levels wrong. They had 3 in stock, all sold before you called them. Being the 4th person to request one you came away disappointed ... Many ways that something can be painted .... However there isn't quite the "shine" that there once was on iOS - and to a certain extent I'm feeling the same with Android. Neither has come up with anything interesting on the interface in years, iOS7 was just iOS6 with a theme, the updates from JB through to KitKat have done nothing truly useful for Android.

14-01-2014, 15:11	#34
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax Would Jobs really have sanctioned the 5C? You mean a lower priced, lower specced version of a higher priced, higher specced model? Like the iBook was to the MacBook Pro, the iMac was to the Mac Pro, or the iPod Nano was to the iPod? No, never.

14-01-2014, 15:14	#35
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Holy shit!! A negative story about apple? Correct me if I'm wrong here but is Android, Blackberry and windows phone not mentioned here? Has it not been mentioned that blackberry is crashing out and windows phone is on the up? Why the hell do you need to turn absolutely everything into an anti apple story. You seriously have something wrong with you. Well, I suppose we could just pretend that the thing the OP found interesting wasn't that Apple's market share had fallen... But who would we be kidding?

14-01-2014, 15:15	#36
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Quackers Apples share might be getting smaller as the market is flooded with junk cheap end phones and tablets, but that market is now bigger than it was. They are still shipping millions and millions of devices. I ordered a 5S as an upgrade a week ago and EE told me they did not have any stock so people are after them. You can play with stats, for example lets say the market was 1 million smart phones and apple had 25% market share (250,000 mobiles sold), then the market booms flooded with loads of android handsets to 10 million smart phones sold and apples market share drops to 20% (2,000,000 mobiles sold), but wait they have lost 5% market share surly it must be doom and gloom for apple? Erm no. ^ Exactly this.

14-01-2014, 16:00	#37
Night Hawk Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: High Wycombe Posts: 164	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult Ah, that legendary and completely disproven claim of Safari at 50% of mobile browsing. iirc that figure is so hilariously wrong that it should be doing a long running sell out tour of the O2. Well, slightly wrong. Latest figure is 54% Safari - but I won't split hairs with you

14-01-2014, 16:51	#38
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	A summary of this thread so far http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/181x...f/k-bigpic.gif

14-01-2014, 17:00	#39
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Would you rather..... 80% market share and 20% of the profits....? 20% market share and 80% of the profits...? I thought plenty had been written by now about how market share isn't the be all and all. I'm assuming that is some take on the Apple position that you are finding too difficult to accept once again? How those figures relate to Apple in any way is bemusing. What has been written exactly? Are you saying that Apple have got it wrong with the 5c in an attempt to chase market share? Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Don't you get bored trawling the net for negative stories about Apple, and posting them here? It's called an interest in the mobile market rather than a blinkered apple centric view of the world. Clearly you don't get bored of assaulting every thread with your pro Apple drivel

14-01-2014, 17:08	#40
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman I'm assuming that is some take on the Apple position that you are finding too difficult to accept once again? How those figures relate to Apple in any way is bemusing. What has been written exactly? Are you saying that Apple have got it wrong with the 5c in an attempt to chase market share? It's called an interest in the mobile market rather than a blinkered apple centric view of the world. Clearly you don't get bored of assaulting every thread with your pro Apple drivel I'm not finding anything difficult to grasp. Quackers' post above explains why marker share alone isn't necessarily very revealing. You keep talking about the 5C with reference to "an attempt to gain market share", but I'm not aware of that ever being said by anyone other than pundits prior its launch, who thought it would maybe be a much cheaper phone. I'm sure it is just a healthy interest, and the fact that the vast majority of your posts revolve around negative stories about Apple is just a complete coincidence.

14-01-2014, 17:22	#41
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Posting market share updates do not equate to posting negative stories about apple, the fact you think it reflects that way upon apple says a little more about you CP. As does your need to jump into every thread guns ablazing when you think apple are being slighted. In relation to the 5c there is nothing to say that it was not about seeking market share either. What we do in these situations CP is speculate what the reasoning behind such decisions may be, you will find in life there is not always a link with the definitive answer. However perhaps you can give a reason why apple would release a second cheaper iphone other than market share? Quakers has his view but it is very simplistic I'm afraid. Less market share to a degree was ok for apple when it was still healthy and profits were rising. However market share is declining to low levels, in some cases not far ahead of WP. All the while profits have decreased year on year. The 5c was an attempt to boost market share and profits at the same time. As a manufacturer yes they are still number 2 but if you cannot see the reasons why you would want your ecosystem dominant or vying for it i can't help you. However you like analogies so take the ps3 and xbox. If the ps3 sells 100 million consoles and the xbox sells 5 million but profits are largely the same between them, who do you think is in trouble in the long run?

14-01-2014, 17:48	#42
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax Interesting use of bold there, negating the wording preceding it which indicated 'in the next couple of years'. Are you a lawyer? Well perhaps instead of " It won't be just Apple who are struggling to compete" you should have said " It won't be just Apple who will be struggling to compete"

14-01-2014, 17:52	#43
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Quackers You can play with stats, for example lets say the market was 1 million smart phones and apple had 25% market share (250,000 mobiles sold), then the market booms flooded with loads of android handsets to 10 million smart phones sold and apples market share drops to 20% (2,000,000 mobiles sold), but wait they have lost 5% market share surly it must be doom and gloom for apple? Erm no. You're hitting your head against a brick wall with that sort of argument here. It's too rational for those who are determined to see doom and gloom in everything Apple related.

14-01-2014, 17:54	#44
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Yet more services on IOS rely on a Cloud data connection. Siri as likely as not sends a heck of lot of data to the cloud. Far more than Google voice. Apple stuff is surprisingly Cloud based. But I thought the general consensus on here was that nobody uses Siri because it's a load of sh*t. Can't have it both ways.

14-01-2014, 18:00	#45
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	According to the IDC. In Q3 2013, Android smartphone shipments were up 51% YOY with 211m units shipped worldwide. Market share also increased from 74.9% to 81%. Apple smartphone shipments were up 25% YOY with 33.8m units shipped worldwde. Market share decreased from 14.4% to 12.9%. Windows Phone saw shipments increase 156% YOY from 3.7m shipped in Q3 2013 to 9.5m shipped in Q3 2013 worldwide. Market share also shot up from 2.0% to 3.6% total. From this we can see that all operating systems have seen an increase in shipments YOY. (Windows Phone growing the most).

14-01-2014, 18:05	#46
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Holy shit!! A negative story about apple? Correct me if I'm wrong here but is Android, Blackberry and windows phone not mentioned here? Has it not been mentioned that blackberry is crashing out and windows phone is on the up? Why the hell do you need to turn absolutely everything into an anti apple story. You seriously have something wrong with you. Given that Mr Sword in his OP only mentioned Apple and made no mention of those other companies it is quite reasonable to say that it was a negative story about Apple.

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14-01-2014, 18:28	#47
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by Quackers Apples share might be getting smaller as the market is flooded with junk cheap end phones and tablets, but that market is now bigger than it was. They are still shipping millions and millions of devices. I ordered a 5S as an upgrade a week ago and EE told me they did not have any stock so people are after them. You can play with stats, for example lets say the market was 1 million smart phones and apple had 25% market share (250,000 mobiles sold), then the market booms flooded with loads of android handsets to 10 million smart phones sold and apples market share drops to 20% (2,000,000 mobiles sold), but wait they have lost 5% market share surly it must be doom and gloom for apple? Erm no. Sorry but that analogy has no relevance to the real market events of the past few years. It's pointless dreaming up hypothetical figures if they do not even remotely correlate to the reality of the situation. Apple in 2007 had close to 90% of the mobile market with no competition. Everyone was pretty much dazed by the iPhone and had no idea how to react. Microsoft and Nokia rubbished it, while others sought to compete, Google included. The iPhone ruled the market near unimpeded, all the way through to 2010, with its variants becoming some of the world's best selling smartphones. It was Apple's arrogance arising from the iPhone's monumental success that allowed Android to take-off in the first place. Had the Verizon and Sprint iPhones in the US and availability on T-Mobile, Orange and Vodafone in the UK come sooner, it could have been a very very different story today. The market has indeed been expanding, but Apple's sales have not. One only has to look at the launch figures to see a marked pattern. The sales have been falling while the market as a whole has been expanding. The iPhone 5S sold less at launch than the iPhone 5 while competitor devices such as the Galaxy S3 and S4 are starting to rival iPhone sales figures. Consumer interest in Apple is waning and it certainly isn't the pretty picture you painted it out to be. Saying that Apple's falling market share and declining sales are disappointing is not "doom and gloom", it is realism.

14-01-2014, 18:32	#48
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Indeed figure indicate that: Quote: From the launch of the iPhone 5 in September 2012 through the end of November 2012, Apple’s U.S. share grew from 34.6% to 53.3%. In the same time frame after the launch of the 5s and 5c, Apple’s share grew from 35.9% to 43.1%.

14-01-2014, 18:38	#49
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson Given that Mr Sword in his OP only mentioned Apple and made no mention of those other companies it is quite reasonable to say that it was a negative story about Apple. You really are quite sad. As the market research was conducted by OS, how would individual company figures have been possible. In the three sentences my post constituted, I mentioned android rising, W8 rising and ios falling despite the 5c. The most pertinent facts, if you wish to cry about apple falling share feel free but shooting the messenger will accomplish nothing

14-01-2014, 18:48	#50
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Indeed figure indicate that: From the launch of the iPhone 5 in September 2012 through the end of November 2012, Apple’s U.S. share grew from 34.6% to 53.3%. In the same time frame after the launch of the 5s and 5c, Apple’s share grew from 35.9% to 43.1%. Have you read Quacker's post yet?