Well in The Time of The Doctor Clara encounters a Silent. However she doesn't make any attempt to kill it and she doesn't even recognise it. I would have thought she would, as in Day of The Moon The Doctor inserts footage of a Silent ordering humanity to kill them all into the recording of the moon landing. Now I'd have guessed Clara would have seen the footage of the Moon Landing, as The Doctor says, everyone has, so surely she should have attacked The Silents she encountered
Clara and the Silent
A fair point, but that would also mean Amy, Rory and everyone else should have killed The Silents on sight in The Impossible Astronaut.
Perhaps the non-1960s Silents have somehow bypassed this?
Perhaps the non-1960s Silents have somehow bypassed this?
Originally Posted by Will2911:
“Well in The Time of The Doctor Clara encounters a Silent. However she doesn't make any attempt to kill it and she doesn't even recognise it. I would have thought she would, as in Day of The Moon The Doctor inserts footage of a Silent ordering humanity to kill them all into the recording of the moon landing. Now I'd have guessed Clara would have seen the footage of the Moon Landing, as The Doctor says, everyone has, so surely she should have attacked The Silents she encountered”
“Well in The Time of The Doctor Clara encounters a Silent. However she doesn't make any attempt to kill it and she doesn't even recognise it. I would have thought she would, as in Day of The Moon The Doctor inserts footage of a Silent ordering humanity to kill them all into the recording of the moon landing. Now I'd have guessed Clara would have seen the footage of the Moon Landing, as The Doctor says, everyone has, so surely she should have attacked The Silents she encountered”
This has been discussed before:
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...hlight=silents
The captured Silent said "you should kill us all on sight". It didn't somehow implant a hypnotic command that forced any human to obey a command to kill them.
Clara - who might not even have watched the Moon Landing footage, remember - might have the feeling, the memory, that these things are dangerous, but that doesn't mean she's going to hurl herself at it in a murderous frenzy.
I mean, if a bear turns up in your back garden, you know that you should probably do something to protect your family, but you wouldn't necessarily take it on hand-to-hand.
Clara - who might not even have watched the Moon Landing footage, remember - might have the feeling, the memory, that these things are dangerous, but that doesn't mean she's going to hurl herself at it in a murderous frenzy.
I mean, if a bear turns up in your back garden, you know that you should probably do something to protect your family, but you wouldn't necessarily take it on hand-to-hand.
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“The captured Silent said "you should kill us all on sight". It didn't somehow implant a hypnotic command that forced any human to obey a command to kill them.”
“The captured Silent said "you should kill us all on sight". It didn't somehow implant a hypnotic command that forced any human to obey a command to kill them.”
Erm...yes it did. That was the whole point.
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“Clara - who might not even have watched the Moon Landing footage, remember”
“Clara - who might not even have watched the Moon Landing footage, remember”
Out of the question. Everyone's seen it.
The events of that entire series occurred within a closed loop because "history" was rewritten when the Doctor faked his death - following River's interference.
Since the Doctor didn't die, the rest of the events - including the visit to 1969 - did not take place in the current reality - hence Amy being upset about the Doctor's death when sitting in her garden in England at the end of the series (before River explained the trick).
Short version - the lunar-landing message never happened.
Since the Doctor didn't die, the rest of the events - including the visit to 1969 - did not take place in the current reality - hence Amy being upset about the Doctor's death when sitting in her garden in England at the end of the series (before River explained the trick).
Short version - the lunar-landing message never happened.
Originally Posted by The 12th Doctor:
“Erm...yes it did. That was the whole point.”
“Erm...yes it did. That was the whole point.”
No, it didn't. It implanted a suggestion alright, but not one that compelled humans to disregard their own safety.
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“Out of the question. Everyone's seen it.”
“Out of the question. Everyone's seen it.”
That's unlikely to be true.
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“The events of that entire series occurred within a closed loop because "history" was rewritten when the Doctor faked his death - following River's interference.”
“The events of that entire series occurred within a closed loop because "history" was rewritten when the Doctor faked his death - following River's interference.”
No, the only events that were reset were the ones caused by River's interference - the ones in the collapsed timeline. The Doctor reverted that to normal, and everything else happened as we saw it before.
Remember, the Doctor was already in the Tessalecta before River changed anything - that was his plan all along. For that matter, it was the younger Doctor that adventured in 1969, long before his death was planned.
One thing - the TARDIS. Different rules for time travellers. Different rules for those connected to the TARDIS. Different rules for young women torn apart in the personal timeline of Time Lords? 
Those silents have such a weird, raspy voice that I bet there were loads of people who didn't understand what they said 
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“I mean, if a bear turns up in your back garden, you know that you should probably do something to protect your family, but you wouldn't necessarily take it on hand-to-hand.”
“I mean, if a bear turns up in your back garden, you know that you should probably do something to protect your family, but you wouldn't necessarily take it on hand-to-hand.”
If it was Paddington I'd just give it a Marmalade sandwich.
The end of Day of the Moon is supremely clever, but it... doesn't quite work, does it? The Silence can (slowly) channel electrical energy out of light sockets to make humans go all kerplodey. The Americans have guns, but most of the rest of the world, that's a losing battle. Take the UK, who's going to defeat a Silent in hand-to-hand combat?! The Silence could have wiped the Earth out. The plot still hangs together, as it makes the Earth useless to the Silence and far more resistant to manipulation, but it's a hell of a gamble to presume they'll just up and leave rather than start a cull.
Back to the ship - I imagine Clara probably wanted to kill the Silent, but... with what? She wasn't just unarmed, she was naked! Maybe that's why the Silence took the precaution?
Back to the ship - I imagine Clara probably wanted to kill the Silent, but... with what? She wasn't just unarmed, she was naked! Maybe that's why the Silence took the precaution?
Originally Posted by The 12th Doctor:
“Out of the question. Everyone's seen it.”
“Out of the question. Everyone's seen it.”
I saw it at the time and in various documentaries since but I don't recall having seen it in Clara or Amy's lifetimes. Mind you, Clara has had quite a few lifetimes and some of those are bound to have seen it
Originally Posted by The 12th Doctor:
“Erm...yes it did. That was the whole point.
Out of the question. Everyone's seen it.”
“Erm...yes it did. That was the whole point.
Out of the question. Everyone's seen it.”
Ridiculous.
Never mind the moon landing, most people haven't read the Bible, drank Coke, eaten a Big Mac, seen 'Avatar' or own 'Thriller'. There's five of the most popular things in human history right there.
Some people were asking me about Mandela when he passed. Who? What? Why? Etc.
Moon landings are low on the radar to most people born in the last twenty years, they would be even if (in real life) an alien threat was attached.
Probably including Clara too.
Originally Posted by FunkyJawa:
“Ridiculous.
Never mind the moon landing, most people haven't read the Bible, drank Coke, eaten a Big Mac, seen 'Avatar' or own 'Thriller'. There's five of the most popular things in human history right there.
Some people were asking me about Mandela when he passed. Who? What? Why? Etc.
Moon landings are low on the radar to most people born in the last twenty years, they would be even if (in real life) an alien threat was attached.
Probably including Clara too.”
“Ridiculous.
Never mind the moon landing, most people haven't read the Bible, drank Coke, eaten a Big Mac, seen 'Avatar' or own 'Thriller'. There's five of the most popular things in human history right there.
Some people were asking me about Mandela when he passed. Who? What? Why? Etc.
Moon landings are low on the radar to most people born in the last twenty years, they would be even if (in real life) an alien threat was attached.
Probably including Clara too.”
Clara has to be more than 20 years old sure early 20's but more than 20!
Also the moon landing footage is used in lost of TV programs and films!
People may not remember what it is if they are still quite young, but they are likely to have seen it in something.
I can see that people born in the last 20 years might not know who Mandela is though, as he has been out of the picture, especially in the UK, for about 15 years.
Originally Posted by lotrjw:
“Clara has to be more than 20 years old sure early 20's but more than 20!
Also the moon landing footage is used in lost of TV programs and films!
People may not remember what it is if they are still quite young, but they are likely to have seen it in something.
I can see that people born in the last 20 years might not know who Mandela is though, as he has been out of the picture, especially in the UK, for about 15 years.”
“Clara has to be more than 20 years old sure early 20's but more than 20!
Also the moon landing footage is used in lost of TV programs and films!
People may not remember what it is if they are still quite young, but they are likely to have seen it in something.
I can see that people born in the last 20 years might not know who Mandela is though, as he has been out of the picture, especially in the UK, for about 15 years.”
Jenna is 27, I believe.
Thing is, you'd think at least one of Clara's fragments would have been around in 1969 to watch it live
