Originally Posted by intoxication:
“Nikki: "Take his clothes, that'll hurt him more!"
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“Nikki: "Take his clothes, that'll hurt him more!"
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Oh yes, now you've jogged my memory.
BB7's Shahbaz!
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Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Years ago, while researching something in the British Newspaper Library, I came across a column in the (London) Standard. It was written by someone with major long-term mental health problems, who had written about them in the press. He said he had been approached by BB to ask if he would be interested in being a housemate. He decided not to do it. The shocking conclusion is that in BB7, in the hope of getting fireworks, they specifically targeted people with mental health problems. It was not coincidence that we had Nikki - who had a history of life-threatening mental health problems; Pete - who had a major and incurable neurological condition; Dawn - who said she had never had a friend and hated everyone; Lea, who had wildly exaggerated cosmetic surgery because of her body dysmorphic disorder; and Shahbaz. They were incredibly lucky imo that only Shahbaz (and arguably Dawn) really suffered from the experience.”
“Years ago, while researching something in the British Newspaper Library, I came across a column in the (London) Standard. It was written by someone with major long-term mental health problems, who had written about them in the press. He said he had been approached by BB to ask if he would be interested in being a housemate. He decided not to do it. The shocking conclusion is that in BB7, in the hope of getting fireworks, they specifically targeted people with mental health problems. It was not coincidence that we had Nikki - who had a history of life-threatening mental health problems; Pete - who had a major and incurable neurological condition; Dawn - who said she had never had a friend and hated everyone; Lea, who had wildly exaggerated cosmetic surgery because of her body dysmorphic disorder; and Shahbaz. They were incredibly lucky imo that only Shahbaz (and arguably Dawn) really suffered from the experience.”
That's horrendous- do you have a link to the article?
Yes, BB7 did seem deliberately out to cast unstable, vulnerable people. I remember a feature in (I think) the Daily Mail (hardly a beacon of tolerance for mental illness) that profiled the housemates you mentioned and the various disorders that had (apparently) gone unnoticed by the Big Brother psych team.
It was a dangerous mix from the start, and depriving them of suitcases (the first time, aside from Kitten, they'd pulled a stunt like that) was only going to exasperate things. It's no surprise both Dawn and Shahbaz left of their own accord (Dawn was always going to walk- BB concocted the code story to save face) before the end of the first week.
Originally Posted by hopeless case:
“I remember it too. I don't think Enidan is defending them, he is stating the situation. The Hms didn't want to bully him, they had only just met each other and this was no concerted bullying campaign. I agree with Enidan, they didn't know how to cope with him and it is really a good example of how normal people can behave in such extreme circumstances, the fact that all but George got involved surely illustrates the fact that nearly everyone is capable of that behaviour. Its all very well to sit back and say that I/we/us would never behave in such a way but they all did!”
“I remember it too. I don't think Enidan is defending them, he is stating the situation. The Hms didn't want to bully him, they had only just met each other and this was no concerted bullying campaign. I agree with Enidan, they didn't know how to cope with him and it is really a good example of how normal people can behave in such extreme circumstances, the fact that all but George got involved surely illustrates the fact that nearly everyone is capable of that behaviour. Its all very well to sit back and say that I/we/us would never behave in such a way but they all did!”
Originally Posted by Mrs BBV:
“If I recall a lot happened off camera that really should have had him removed long before he voluntarily left. The roving reporting he did afterwards I think was a bit if a sop to keep him onside because he really should never have been in there. But you are absolute right the bullying was heartbreaking and even Pete was involved. I remember that the only peson who refused to ostracise him was George (the lad that was a Godson of the Queen Mother and who walked).”
“If I recall a lot happened off camera that really should have had him removed long before he voluntarily left. The roving reporting he did afterwards I think was a bit if a sop to keep him onside because he really should never have been in there. But you are absolute right the bullying was heartbreaking and even Pete was involved. I remember that the only peson who refused to ostracise him was George (the lad that was a Godson of the Queen Mother and who walked).”
Unfortunately, it's not true that George did not get involved. There was one incident when everyone but George walked out of a room when Shahbaz came in, but later George was one of the HMs who took Shahbaz's clothes when he was in the pool.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Unfortunately, it's not true that George did not get involved. There was one incident when everyone but George walked out of a room when Shahbaz came in, but later George was one of the HMs who took Shahbaz's clothes when he was in the pool.”
“Unfortunately, it's not true that George did not get involved. There was one incident when everyone but George walked out of a room when Shahbaz came in, but later George was one of the HMs who took Shahbaz's clothes when he was in the pool.”
Sorry Veri I don't remember that. I just remember George staying with Shabaz when everyone else walked out and being surprised it wasn't Pete.
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Very uncomfortable, I remember the lock him outside, steal his clothes HL show very vividly. I remember thinking, "This is disgusting. Shahbaz shouldn't be in there, but most of these HMs are so nasty!". It may have been the onlu reason why Aisleyne was head and shoulders my favourite HM that series.
People asking "If Ais was there, what would she do?". I think she would have told them to stop. She had a kind heart and she knew when things were wrong, there is no way she would have taken that, even if all the HMs disagreed with her.
Note that during the BB7 final, Shahbaz gave Aisleyne a standing ovation when she exited and during her interview. I think maybe he thought that she would have defended him.”
“Very uncomfortable, I remember the lock him outside, steal his clothes HL show very vividly. I remember thinking, "This is disgusting. Shahbaz shouldn't be in there, but most of these HMs are so nasty!". It may have been the onlu reason why Aisleyne was head and shoulders my favourite HM that series.
People asking "If Ais was there, what would she do?". I think she would have told them to stop. She had a kind heart and she knew when things were wrong, there is no way she would have taken that, even if all the HMs disagreed with her.
Note that during the BB7 final, Shahbaz gave Aisleyne a standing ovation when she exited and during her interview. I think maybe he thought that she would have defended him.”
I agree with you about Aisleyne.
Originally Posted by Enidan:
“Shabaz was incredibly annoying and refused point blank to modify his behaviour even when requested to politely (by Glen, (to stop touching him) and gently by Dawn.
He had little to no respect for anyone else and although the treatment he received was not pleasant viewing, the other housrments were driven to it and didn't know what else to do possibly due to a lack of experience with dealing with someone so difficult.”
“Shabaz was incredibly annoying and refused point blank to modify his behaviour even when requested to politely (by Glen, (to stop touching him) and gently by Dawn.
He had little to no respect for anyone else and although the treatment he received was not pleasant viewing, the other housrments were driven to it and didn't know what else to do possibly due to a lack of experience with dealing with someone so difficult.”
I agree with that up to a point, but some of what the other HMs did can't be justified in that way. Richard, for example, would ridicule Shahbaz to his face and suggest things to do when Shahbaz came into the room. The most remembered example of something that can't be justified is probably when some of the HMs took Shahbaz's clothes while he was in the pool, and the door was tied shut so he couldn't get in, and Richard taunted him.
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“He did seem to be intent on bringing it on himself.I wonder how aisleyne would have reacted had she been in the house at the time.”
“He did seem to be intent on bringing it on himself.I wonder how aisleyne would have reacted had she been in the house at the time.”
As I said the last time that came up:
Originally Posted by Veri, a while back:
“I think there's a fair chance Ash would have made a sympathetic comment at some point, which would put her in the same category as Imogen and Grace, or have done an admirable thing at one point balanced by a deplorable thing at another, like George, or have have been upset in the DR at some point, like Pete; but none of those HMs are normally considered to have defended Shahbaz, and none of them protected Shahbaz from the others or put a stop to what they were doing.
There were a lot of incidents, and the worst of Shahbaz's behaviour is hardly ever mentioned. (Perhaps most people have forgotten, or didn't notice in the first place. I don't know.) But there's a pretty good chance that Shahbaz would have done something that turned Ash against him or that led her to join in some of the moves other HMs made against Shahbaz.
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“I think there's a fair chance Ash would have made a sympathetic comment at some point, which would put her in the same category as Imogen and Grace, or have done an admirable thing at one point balanced by a deplorable thing at another, like George, or have have been upset in the DR at some point, like Pete; but none of those HMs are normally considered to have defended Shahbaz, and none of them protected Shahbaz from the others or put a stop to what they were doing.
There were a lot of incidents, and the worst of Shahbaz's behaviour is hardly ever mentioned. (Perhaps most people have forgotten, or didn't notice in the first place. I don't know.) But there's a pretty good chance that Shahbaz would have done something that turned Ash against him or that led her to join in some of the moves other HMs made against Shahbaz.
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Originally Posted by Veri:
“I agree with that up to a point, but some of what the other HMs did can't be justified in that way. Richard, for example, would ridicule Shahbaz to his face and suggest things to do when Shahbaz came into the room. The most remembered example of something that can't be justified is probably when some of the HMs took Shahbaz's clothes while he was in the pool, and the door was tied shut so he couldn't get in, and Richard taunted him.
As I said the last time that came up:”
“I agree with that up to a point, but some of what the other HMs did can't be justified in that way. Richard, for example, would ridicule Shahbaz to his face and suggest things to do when Shahbaz came into the room. The most remembered example of something that can't be justified is probably when some of the HMs took Shahbaz's clothes while he was in the pool, and the door was tied shut so he couldn't get in, and Richard taunted him.
As I said the last time that came up:”
Yea I remember that when he was shoving roast chicken crisp out the door and saying do you like them knowing fair well he is a vegetarian and I believe also a Muslim
Originally Posted by adamski94:
“Yea I remember that when he was shoving roast chicken crisp out the door and saying do you like them knowing fair well he is a vegetarian and I believe also a Muslim”
“Yea I remember that when he was shoving roast chicken crisp out the door and saying do you like them knowing fair well he is a vegetarian and I believe also a Muslim”
I hope I don't sound ignorant here, and I'm not denying that it was cruel to taunt him, but vegetarians can eat meat flavoured crisps! I'm vegetarian myself.
Originally Posted by Mel1314:
“I hope I don't sound ignorant here, and I'm not denying that it was cruel to taunt him, but vegetarians can eat meat flavoured crisps! I'm vegetarian myself.”
“I hope I don't sound ignorant here, and I'm not denying that it was cruel to taunt him, but vegetarians can eat meat flavoured crisps! I'm vegetarian myself.”
I feel it was another taunt about his life style choice as he purposely choose that flavor I just think with richard he would get digs in where ever he could
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Very uncomfortable, I remember the lock him outside, steal his clothes HL show very vividly. I remember thinking, "This is disgusting. Shahbaz shouldn't be in there, but most of these HMs are so nasty!". It may have been the onlu reason why Aisleyne was head and shoulders my favourite HM that series.
People asking "If Ais was there, what would she do?". I think she would have told them to stop. She had a kind heart and she knew when things were wrong, there is no way she would have taken that, even if all the HMs disagreed with her.
Note that during the BB7 final, Shahbaz gave Aisleyne a standing ovation when she exited and during her interview. I think maybe he thought that she would have defended him.”
“Very uncomfortable, I remember the lock him outside, steal his clothes HL show very vividly. I remember thinking, "This is disgusting. Shahbaz shouldn't be in there, but most of these HMs are so nasty!". It may have been the onlu reason why Aisleyne was head and shoulders my favourite HM that series.
People asking "If Ais was there, what would she do?". I think she would have told them to stop. She had a kind heart and she knew when things were wrong, there is no way she would have taken that, even if all the HMs disagreed with her.
Note that during the BB7 final, Shahbaz gave Aisleyne a standing ovation when she exited and during her interview. I think maybe he thought that she would have defended him.”
But she never told anyone to stop anything. She didn't like the way Grace and Nikki were acting towards Susie, and she even went to the DR to complain at one point, but she didn't tell them to stop. (Nor did she ask BB to intervene.) And when did she ever go up against Richard? Richard was sometimes the leader, and in most other cases an enabler, of the unpleasant things done to Shahbaz.
Ash wasn't the only HM who had a kind heart or knew when things were wrong; but I think many people either forget, or didn't notice at the time, how unbearable Shahbaz could be. The HMs were stuck with him in a small house.
What we saw was that even HMs (such as George) who did the right sort of thing at one point, didn't at another. And there were a lot of 'points'. Shahbaz was a continual problem. So I think what I said in the old post I quoted above is right.
Originally Posted by adamski94:
“Yea I remember that when he was shoving roast chicken crisp out the door and saying do you like them knowing fair well he is a vegetarian and I believe also a Muslim”
“Yea I remember that when he was shoving roast chicken crisp out the door and saying do you like them knowing fair well he is a vegetarian and I believe also a Muslim”
There's nothing stopping Muslims eating chicken, as long as it's been properly slaughtered and prepared, I think.
Originally Posted by Mel1314:
“I hope I don't sound ignorant here, and I'm not denying that it was cruel to taunt him, but vegetarians can eat meat flavoured crisps! I'm vegetarian myself.”
“I hope I don't sound ignorant here, and I'm not denying that it was cruel to taunt him, but vegetarians can eat meat flavoured crisps! I'm vegetarian myself.”
I know a Jewish girl who refuses to eat bacon crisps, always struck me as a little ridiculous to be honest.
Originally Posted by Mrs BBV:
“Sorry Veri I don't remember that. I just remember George staying with Shabaz when everyone else walked out and being surprised it wasn't Pete.”
“Sorry Veri I don't remember that. I just remember George staying with Shabaz when everyone else walked out and being surprised it wasn't Pete.
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It was at that very same point in the show that it dawned on me that Pete was actually very self-centred and selfish.
Up until that point I really liked him.
I remember Shabaz, out of desperation, literally asking Pete to help him, saying something like they'll listen to him.
Pete just turned his back on him and said something like "I can't play your game mate". Or words to that effect. I'm sure that somebody will be able to fish out the accurate quote.
I took that to mean 'f**k you, I'm all right Jack. I'm not risking putting my neck on the line for anyone and looking bad to the viewers".
Oh my God, I watched BB7 when I was about 13, at the time I hated Shahbaz and found him a total irritant. Now I've seen this thread I decided to watch back some clips from the week he was in the house, as I couldn't remember them being horrible to him.
The way they treated that poor man was despicable, I can't believe it just went over my head at the time. The way they all sit around, one makes a joke and the others all cackle in such an over-the-top manner... then locking him outside, stealing his clothes and wearing them, calling him pathetic, a ****, and implying that he had a small penis, taking his food and pouring it away then accusing him of being wasteful...
I know he was a bit of a nasty piece of work the way he stole all the food and was generally a complete irritant (I know he'd drive me up the wall if I lived with him), but NOBODY deserves to get treated like that. That is really genuine bullying and it has actually upset me watching it back. Thank god he had the sense to leave before it got any worse.
The way they treated that poor man was despicable, I can't believe it just went over my head at the time. The way they all sit around, one makes a joke and the others all cackle in such an over-the-top manner... then locking him outside, stealing his clothes and wearing them, calling him pathetic, a ****, and implying that he had a small penis, taking his food and pouring it away then accusing him of being wasteful...
I know he was a bit of a nasty piece of work the way he stole all the food and was generally a complete irritant (I know he'd drive me up the wall if I lived with him), but NOBODY deserves to get treated like that. That is really genuine bullying and it has actually upset me watching it back. Thank god he had the sense to leave before it got any worse.
Originally Posted by scratchy23:
“Oh my God, I watched BB7 when I was about 13, at the time I hated Shahbaz and found him a total irritant. Now I've seen this thread I decided to watch back some clips from the week he was in the house, as I couldn't remember them being horrible to him.
The way they treated that poor man was despicable, I can't believe it just went over my head at the time. The way they all sit around, one makes a joke and the others all cackle in such an over-the-top manner... then locking him outside, stealing his clothes and wearing them, calling him pathetic, a ****, and implying that he had a small penis, taking his food and pouring it away then accusing him of being wasteful...
I know he was a bit of a nasty piece of work the way he stole all the food and was generally a complete irritant (I know he'd drive me up the wall if I lived with him), but NOBODY deserves to get treated like that. That is really genuine bullying and it has actually upset me watching it back. Thank god he had the sense to leave before it got any worse.”
“Oh my God, I watched BB7 when I was about 13, at the time I hated Shahbaz and found him a total irritant. Now I've seen this thread I decided to watch back some clips from the week he was in the house, as I couldn't remember them being horrible to him.
The way they treated that poor man was despicable, I can't believe it just went over my head at the time. The way they all sit around, one makes a joke and the others all cackle in such an over-the-top manner... then locking him outside, stealing his clothes and wearing them, calling him pathetic, a ****, and implying that he had a small penis, taking his food and pouring it away then accusing him of being wasteful...
I know he was a bit of a nasty piece of work the way he stole all the food and was generally a complete irritant (I know he'd drive me up the wall if I lived with him), but NOBODY deserves to get treated like that. That is really genuine bullying and it has actually upset me watching it back. Thank god he had the sense to leave before it got any worse.”
They knew what they were doing, but unbelievably at the end it felt as though they were suddenly aware of the cameras judging them, and I think it was Richard who said something like "What we're doing isn't bullying". Just to add a little disclaimer at the end to try to validate their own behaviour and convince themselves and us that they hadn't done anything wrong.
There was even one point where Shabaz wanted to open a cupboard in the kitchen, and Sezer was sat on the kitchen top with his legs dangling in front of the cupboard door. Shabaz asked him if he could get into the cupboard, but he wouldn't let him. Then after a couple of verbal exchanges Sezer literally threatened Shabaz with violence. Threatening to 'spark him out' or something, I think he said he'd 'tear his head off' as well.
How on earth did BB let Sezer get away with that?
I re watched this series a few months ago as I couldnt remember if Shabaz brought their behaviour on himself, but it does clearly look like bullying and I couldnt beleive that BB did not step in, as they quickly do now when this kind of thing goes on.
Originally Posted by scottishmag:
“I re watched this series a few months ago as I couldnt remember if Shabaz brought their behaviour on himself, but it does clearly look like bullying and I couldnt beleive that BB did not step in, as they quickly do now when this kind of thing goes on.”
“I re watched this series a few months ago as I couldnt remember if Shabaz brought their behaviour on himself, but it does clearly look like bullying and I couldnt beleive that BB did not step in, as they quickly do now when this kind of thing goes on.”
They let the HMs get away with it in BB6 too. Lesley was awful to Sam, threatening her with violence, stealing her make-up, and when Sam complained to BB they told her to talk to Lesley about it as they were not going to do anything.
Cut to a few series later (can't remember which) where A HM hid an item of another and BB called the person who hid it into the diary room and intervened even before the other HM realised and said what they were doing could be considered as bullying
Originally Posted by intoxication:
“They let the HMs get away with it in BB6 too. Lesley was awful to Sam, threatening her with violence, stealing her make-up, and when Sam complained to BB they told her to talk to Lesley about it as they were not going to do anything.
Cut to a few series later (can't remember which) where A HM hid an item of another and BB called the person who hid it into the diary room and intervened even before the other HM realised and said what they were doing could be considered as bullying”
“They let the HMs get away with it in BB6 too. Lesley was awful to Sam, threatening her with violence, stealing her make-up, and when Sam complained to BB they told her to talk to Lesley about it as they were not going to do anything.
Cut to a few series later (can't remember which) where A HM hid an item of another and BB called the person who hid it into the diary room and intervened even before the other HM realised and said what they were doing could be considered as bullying”
God Lesley was hideous to Sam. I'm sure she got told off about it though? She said something like "don't tell me to shut up, cos I tell you now I'll be waiting for you when we get outside". I'm sure she got told off for that.
Just reading all this back and remembering ..........poor Shabaz it was awful wasn't it.
More than that though ...........so much happened in that BB - there were so many fantastic characters. It was a real vintage year ....loved Aisleyne was a bit gutted she didn't win.
More than that though ...........so much happened in that BB - there were so many fantastic characters. It was a real vintage year ....loved Aisleyne was a bit gutted she didn't win.
i remember one of my friends at the time told me that i was the 'shahbaz' of the group. still haunts me.
I recently watched this series, the treatment of Shahbaz went too far. Shahbaz clearly went in there to over exaggerate his character. He told people to "play their part" and admitted he was in there to act up to the cameras for the pleasure of the viewing public.
Some of his actions in the early days where he was deliberately doing things that he thought would be entertaining us on the outside probably led to his treatment. He wasn't very thoughtful of other housemates and when he saw he was annoying them it'd make him get at them even more.
Eventually the housemates gathered to 'give him it back', especially Richard who acted as a kind of ring leader. And once they got away with doing one thing it spiralled from there really.
I wonder what he is doing now? I imagine after the series he pretty much went back to being on the dole in a small council house as he was before.
Some of his actions in the early days where he was deliberately doing things that he thought would be entertaining us on the outside probably led to his treatment. He wasn't very thoughtful of other housemates and when he saw he was annoying them it'd make him get at them even more.
Eventually the housemates gathered to 'give him it back', especially Richard who acted as a kind of ring leader. And once they got away with doing one thing it spiralled from there really.
I wonder what he is doing now? I imagine after the series he pretty much went back to being on the dole in a small council house as he was before.
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