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I heard today that Marvel have consolidated the rights and re-issued MM.
Alan Moore's run will take place over the next 18 months, then Gaiman's, then a continuation. The whole post-modern graphic novel scene from the mid 1980-now owes a huge debt to MM. It blew me away back then and I will be collecting the re-issues et al. If you can pick it up please do so
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This is fantastic news if only to get a a nice lovely new copy of Alan Moore's run from Warrior
![]() Now if only I could get a copy of Third World War... I'd really love for my wife to read that ![]() The thread should be called MarvelMan though innit
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This is fantastic news if only to get a a nice lovely new copy of Alan Moore's run from Warrior
![]() Now if only I could get a copy of Third World War... I'd really love for my wife to read that ![]() The thread should be called MarvelMan though innit ![]() http://marvel.com/comics/issue/49601/miracleman_2014_1 Seems like an odd thing to do after reprinting the Mick Anglo stories under the MarvelMan name. I guess there must be some sort of legal/contractual reason.
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It will be interesting to see whether an agreement has been reached with Dez Skinn over the Big Ben character. Or maybe he'll be renamed as "British Bulldog" again?
Looking at the cover to the Book One graphic novel, it seems Gary Leach's Warpsmith is on-board. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Miracleman-D.../dp/0785154620 |
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Apparently Marvel consolidated all the rights, for a 7-figure sum.
I went to a local comic shop at the weekend and they didn't know when this would be in (tbh they were kinda unhelpful, as most fan-run businesses tend to be, just chatting with regulars at the check-out..). If anyone has a good mail order link for Marvel I'd really appreciate it, as I can't afford to be hanging around town centres on the off chance
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Apparently Marvel consolidated all the rights, for a 7-figure sum.
I went to a local comic shop at the weekend and they didn't know when this would be in (tbh they were kinda unhelpful, as most fan-run businesses tend to be, just chatting with regulars at the check-out..). If anyone has a good mail order link for Marvel I'd really appreciate it, as I can't afford to be hanging around town centres on the off chance ![]() Most comic shops are fan run, sure, but they need to know what they're doing or they don't last very long - I've seen enough fail horribly to know that. MM was pushed in Previews months ago, comic shops tend to order in 3 months in advance. |
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I'm in the UK.
The assistant I spoke to nonchalantly printed out the shop details on a dummy receipt and said 'call us next week' ![]() Yeah, sure. So, any mail order sources in the UK for Marvel/MM? |
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Name and shame! It wasn't one of the Forbidden Planet group, was it?
I've used these guys, they're pretty good: http://www.disposableheroes.co.uk/index.php Though I tend to get new stuff on Comixology and, depending how it is, either get the whole series on that or wait for the trade/graphic novel. I still get a chunk of dead-tree versions but space is limited... |
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Name and shame! It wasn't one of the Forbidden Planet group, was it?
I've used these guys, they're pretty good: http://www.disposableheroes.co.uk/index.php Though I tend to get new stuff on Comixology and, depending how it is, either get the whole series on that or wait for the trade/graphic novel. I still get a chunk of dead-tree versions but space is limited... ![]() I'm not hugely pissed off, it is what it is. But I'm 20 stone and you can't miss me at the counter. And, you know, I could do without standing there while the shop guys talk about their awesome Daredevil Podcast. I just can't spare that kind of time anymore, being many years removed from college. Thanks muchly for the link. |
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Last time I bought a copy of Miracleman#1 it was at a Comic Mart in Leeds. When I got it home and unbagged it, it was signed by Alan Moore and Gary Leach. Sadly not the case with the 2014 version....
Still, great to have it back, even if the reprint may harm the value of my copy of #15. |
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Last time I bought a copy of Miracleman#1 it was at a Comic Mart in Leeds. When I got it home and unbagged it, it was signed by Alan Moore and Gary Leach. Sadly not the case with the 2014 version....
Still, great to have it back, even if the reprint may harm the value of my copy of #15. |
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This is fantastic news if only to get a a nice lovely new copy of Alan Moore's run from Warrior
![]() Now if only I could get a copy of Third World War... I'd really love for my wife to read that ![]() |
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I am wondering how they will censor issues 14-15 and 19 personally. The first two for rape/violence and the last for likeness rights issues.
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I am wondering how they will censor issues 14-15 and 19 personally. The first two for rape/violence and the last for likeness rights issues.
I expect the biggest copyright problem with Issue 19 will be the panels showing Warhol-esque paintings of Popeye, Dick Tracey and Scrooge McDuck. But that's not a problem until they get to Neil Gaiman's Book 4, sometime next year. Before that, it's good know Gary Leach's Warpsmith is definitely appearing in Book 1. Which can only mean we'll finally get a colour reprint of The Yesterday Gambit from Warrior Issue 4. |
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Were you thinking the late Andy Warhol's image could cause a problem? I'm not sure how the law stands on that. Does anyone know who (if anyone) possesses the rights to Warhol's distinctive likeness?
I expect the biggest copyright problem with Issue 19 will be the panels showing Warhol-esque paintings of Popeye, Dick Tracey and Scrooge McDuck. But that's not a problem until they get to Neil Gaiman's Book 4, sometime next year. Before that, it's good know Gary Leach's Warpsmith is definitely appearing in Book 1. Which can only mean we'll finally get a colour reprint of The Yesterday Gambit from Warrior Issue 4. Dick Tracy would be the problem, Popeye is now free domain and Scrooge McDuck is Disney property. Marvel is now a subsidiary of Disney so there would be no conflict now. Dick Tracy however belongs to Warren Beatty, he owns the rights to the character these days and has since 1985. He actually appears to have had a dispute with current Marvel Architect head writer Brian Michael Bendis as recently as 2005 when he tried to write a new Dick Tracy series. So I don't think Beatty will budge on the matter, he has more than enough money and a personal reason not to kowtow to Marvel. |
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Andy Warhol's Estate is under the control of the Andy Warhol Foundation For The Visual Arts. The representation of him in #19 might now be objectionable to them and where there is money to be paid from suing people, particularly Disney, it is certainly possible they will try. It is their duty to maintain his reputation now he is deceased and whereas they might have flown under the radar way back when, I don't think the same will happen again if they reprint the material without some creative editing or substitution of content given the replication of some of his pop art which the Warhol Foundation holds the rights over. Perhaps a healthy donation to them would go some ways to resolving any potential problems.
Dick Tracy would be the problem, Popeye is now free domain and Scrooge McDuck is Disney property. Marvel is now a subsidiary of Disney so there would be no conflict now. Dick Tracy however belongs to Warren Beatty, he owns the rights to the character these days and has since 1985. He actually appears to have had a dispute with current Marvel Architect head writer Brian Michael Bendis as recently as 2005 when he tried to write a new Dick Tracy series. So I don't think Beatty will budge on the matter, he has more than enough money and a personal reason not to kowtow to Marvel. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Warhol Foundation. While they may hold the rights to specific works by Warhol, I'm not sure they can do much about the representation of a significant historical figure who has been dead for a quarter of a century. And let's not forget how MM humiliates Mrs Thatch in Issue 16. (Little bit of politics from the guy in the sparkly suit. The one who didn't go on to write crap musicals.) |
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I guess the problem with Scrooge McDuck could be that Disney wouldn't want the character's image used in the context of a very adult comic, regardless of Marvel now being their subsidiary company. Although, to be fair, the panels featuring the cartoon characters could easily be replaced with some Pop Art of Spider-Man and other Marvel characters without affecting the story in any way.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Warhol Foundation. While they may hold the rights to specific works by Warhol, I'm not sure they can do much about the representation of a significant historical figure who has been dead for a quarter of a century. And let's not forget how MM humiliates Mrs Thatch in Issue 16. (Little bit of politics from the guy in the sparkly suit. The one who didn't go on to write crap musicals.) Considering the story largely revolves around a cloned and demented version of Warhol I think the issue of defamation of character would also be a point of contention if they feel his likeness is being misused and his legacy perverted for exploitation in a way they have not approved. It's why Tarantino couldn't actually show Elvis in True Romance, he didn't have the money to barter with his Estate and he was fairly certain they wouldn't sign off on the script. So they just had Val Kilmer do the accent and show parts of his body so you knew who they were alluding to even if they weren't explicitly depicting him. It's not a case of parody since they clearly and repeatedly show Warhol using an image of one of his self portrait screen prints in many panels. That is the Warhol Foundation's property and it is their duty to preserve his reputation as they see fit to benefit or preserve the Estate. The Thatcher scene will get by because Marvel is an American company. It might not get clearance to be shipped over here though, depending on if political interest groups find it worth blocking or not. However the legal wranglings of an international defamation suit would be a lot more complicated than Warhol's Estate taking action against Marvel since they are both under the US legal jurisdiction. |
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Issue #2 should be out this week, according to my Marvel update email...
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Scrooge McDuck is not depicted doing anything unseemly so I can't see there being a conflict of interest there, especially since they are all under one roof these days as part of the Disney character library. If they let Lilo and Stitch meet the Avengers, they'll let Scrooge McDuck appear in a reprint of Marvel/Miracle Man.
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Scrooge McDuck is not depicted doing anything unseemly so I can't see there being a conflict of interest there, especially since they are all under one roof these days as part of the Disney character library. If they let Lilo and Stitch meet the Avengers, they'll let Scrooge McDuck appear in a reprint of Marvel/Miracle Man.
Considering the story largely revolves around a cloned and demented version of Warhol I think the issue of defamation of character would also be a point of contention if they feel his likeness is being misused and his legacy perverted for exploitation in a way they have not approved. It's why Tarantino couldn't actually show Elvis in True Romance, he didn't have the money to barter with his Estate and he was fairly certain they wouldn't sign off on the script. So they just had Val Kilmer do the accent and show parts of his body so you knew who they were alluding to even if they weren't explicitly depicting him. It's not a case of parody since they clearly and repeatedly show Warhol using an image of one of his self portrait screen prints in many panels. That is the Warhol Foundation's property and it is their duty to preserve his reputation as they see fit to benefit or preserve the Estate. The Thatcher scene will get by because Marvel is an American company. It might not get clearance to be shipped over here though, depending on if political interest groups find it worth blocking or not. However the legal wranglings of an international defamation suit would be a lot more complicated than Warhol's Estate taking action against Marvel since they are both under the US legal jurisdiction. |
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Censorship in the latest issue
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/03/...er-the-n-word/ As it says, how the hell are they going to cope with the birth issue? Anyway, one of my favourite parts in the latest, where Miracleman meets Big Ben, The Man With No Time For Crime. The alternate reality bits in Big Ben's mind are brilliant. Alan Moore was a master at using existing comic conventions in a different way. |
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Not long left to wait until we see what Marvel has done to Issue 9. My guess is that the print copy will be uncensored, but sealed in a plastic bag with a prominent guidance notice.
The digital copy, however, is anyone's guess after the bizarre drawn-on knickers in Issue 1. They would pretty much have to redraw the whole issue from a different perspective. |
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Censorship in the latest issue
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/03/...er-the-n-word/ As it says, how the hell are they going to cope with the birth issue? Anyway, one of my favourite parts in the latest, where Miracleman meets Big Ben, The Man With No Time For Crime. The alternate reality bits in Big Ben's mind are brilliant. Alan Moore was a master at using existing comic conventions in a different way. ![]() Bet they'll have a nice clean c section or a censer strip
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I saw the hardback of MM on sale today- with "The Original Author" listed on the
back cover instead of a certain hirsute Northamptonian. |
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I saw the hardback of MM on sale today- with "The Original Author" listed on the
back cover instead of a certain hirsute Northamptonian. All very mad. Which is probably just how Moore likes it! |
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