Frank and Jim were very close from another thread on here - Jim maybe thinks this may have something to do with it - he doesn't know why - the whole conversation with Luisa was to do with why they don't get on/what is Linda's issue? He then says about the dressing room as a question. I don' think it was done in a vindictive way - I think he 's wondering and when he says to Luisa ask about it - he's thinking is this it- ask about it. I don't think he was expecting that reaction.

Quite agree with this comment. I also know that in therapy for alcohol issues (which Jim said he had had earlier in the series) people with their own anger issues are advised to walk away and not argue with someone who is emotive/drinking/angry with them and I think Jim has been practising this quite well during the series. As for control of a situation then ok is it not best to be in control of a potentially explosive situation by walking away rather than fuelling someone who is emoting? Controlling behaviour can be a good thing at times even though it is being used in a negative sense in relation to Jim. I see it as a positive. By walking away he is managing his own safety and comfort zones. Imagine an Army Officer who wasn't in control in a danger zone? I see BB as a potential danger zone especially at times like we saw tonite. All of them are in a high pressure environment most of the time. Even the furnishings and space in the house are designed to heighten pressure. It's not an easy ride in there for any of them. Think of fIght night with Victor to get my drift.

As for the much bandied word manipulation, when I worked in the field we knew manipulation to be a tool for getting needs met -we all do it at times - when our needs aren't being met i.e. attention, admiration, love, affection. That leaves the question who was being manipulative and indeed what needs weren't being met by the manipulator? We all like to think we are in control - most of the time anyway

Jim going into the bedroom after their row asking why Linda was upset with him was his way of trying to look like the innocent party, of course she told him where to go, but the damage is done, as Jim knows damn well that everyone watching will want to know more about the story -

he's done it to humiliate Linda - he got his own back on her days of slinging comments at him and making snidey remarks constantly at him - he's retorted with a right ol stinker hasn't he - BUT he's come out of this looking very bad. What a shame he was doing so well.

This!

She has constantly brought up his past and goaded and sniped from Day 1 - he brought it up as a possible reason why - and she just flipped - now going for sympathy again - not from me - bearing grudges from 20 years ago - how pathetic. Move on - he has said it to her several times.

This. ^^

Though I don't see it as being a shame, I see it as being inevitable.

I find it impossible to believe he doesn't know why Linda has a problem with him.
He didn't say "is it because of what happened in Frank Carson's dressing room?", well, not until he was on damage limitation after Linda had confronted him in the garden when he seemed to not even know who Frank Carson was.
He quite clearly was attempting to stir up an incident(s) that Linda would not want to brought up.
I don't see why people can't call it as it actually happened. We all saw it.

I'm not painting Linda as an angel here. The way she picks and snipes at him is ridiculous and I can't blame him for retaliating. Despite my dislike of him I applaud him for putting up with as much as he did from her, but please let's not pretend he didn't know exactly what he was doing in telling Luisa to ask about Frank Carson's dressing room. He could quite easily have said, "I had a row with her husband about something and we haven't gotten along since", or, "I have an idea what it's about...." and leave it there.
Perhaps he didn't expect the specific reaction he got, but I have no doubt he knew that he had the ammunition to get a reaction of one sort or another, even if it was just to shut Linda up.

Neither Jim nor Linda are entirely blameless.

Jim knew exactly what he was doing when he said to Luisa, "go & ask her what happened in FC's dressing room".

He did that purposely & he got the reaction he wanted.

Linda also has to take some degree of responsibility.

She has continually goaded Jim & he talking about her deceased husband in a deliberately ambiguous way was done to garner sympathy from the other HMs.

Jim & Linda both need to look at themselves & their behaviour.

this is very true - and Jim just snapped after Linda made snide remarks after Jim just joined in/or tried to with the conversation she was having with Luisa - and as he was walking away he swore and said he'd had enough of her, I think his words were a**hole - so he went for her using the one thing he knew would really get to her - the incident in the dressing room involving her husband

I think he will regret this now, as it didn't look very good on him at all because her husband's dead and because it was so very personal and would have been a very traumatic time for Linda - and he's brought it all up again - but as you say , she was asking for him to retaliate.

I saw a clip of Jim apologising to her, which he's done I think for effect, but she wasn't having any of it. But after the horse has bolted, still won't look great on Jim - the damage is done.

Innocent?

He didn't actually kill her husband as far as I'm aware.

Why is it always seen as her having digs? She responded angrily to his dig at Luisa's story of single motherhood. The obvious point to his question was that no woman should be happy without a man in her life. Yes, on the face of it, it could be seen as showing an interest and an innocent question (that's what he relies on). But, he's a male chauvinist. He happily admits that. And we know what he really meant it as - a dig.

Linda responded. She did not have a dig.

All the Nolan's are the same.

what does it say about people who want to defend Jim ? I think it's clear that many of us have seen Linda verbally trying to get JIm to kick off since DAY 1 - and he's walked away - we're couple of weeks in and he's finally snapped

Jim didn't say anything to warrant her attack, but he mumbled under his breath after being in the kitchen that she was an a**hole, she heard and then it went from there - he denied he called her an a**hole and he denied telling Luisa to ask Linda about the incident in Frank Carson's dressing room - he used that info to stab the knife in,

so I for one am not all on Jim's side, but perhaps she won't dish it out if she can't take it, not that I think his choice of words was right - it was insensitive and nasty,, but they both instigated that whole scenario.

The main thing here is Jim was doing well ignoring her goading, but cracked and that's the shame of it all, and he'll face the backlash because Lindas female, it was about her dead husband and she's cried as a result - but she forced him into a corner.

He didn't call her an arsehole .

Yes I agree that Jim and Linda even if they do get into an argument are not on a level playing field and Linda is very willing to exploit that.

The 'poor' widow against the 'sexist' comedian.

He cannot win against that because even if people think she is behaving badly keep saying what a bad time she has as if that excuses her to some extent and I really don't think it should.

Jim and Linda both have their 'demons' .

I do wonder who Linda would have chosen as her enemy if Jim had not been in there.

yes he did , it was shown him saying a**hole as he was walking away from her - but she heard it and called him up on it. And she has history with Jim, and none of the others, so explanation enough.

That is the link that shows him walking away and he did not say it.

no link - not working !

I got the... 'she's an 'f'ing loopy bitch ' part that Jim said off other link though, missed that comment from Jim !

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19...ole_shortfilms

The link in the former post has the instructions to get the video.

You have to type " Proof linda is a liar" if it does not show up.

Proof that Linda was mistaken, surely?

Exactly, when he realised he had overstepped he all of a sudden backtracked and minimised.

Did she tell you that the last time you chatted?

I did not make the title of that clip and yes I agree she was mistaken.

If he wanted to know the issue, he would have asked her himself. He told Luisa to go ask her because he knew that would get under her skin because none of the other HMs knew anything about whatever happened in that dressing room, or that the dressing room incident was why they don't get on.

He did it to cause trouble

I hope Linda does not get the sympathy vote from the public like her sister did when she was in cbb, I dont think it was right what jim said and I believe she will milk for what it is worth,I feel she wants the public to turn on Jim and last night Jim played right into her hands, Linda using the C word did her no favours.

She told us all on the HLs last night.