Jim only wanted to know why Linda was so upset with him.

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mz fit

17-01-2014

Originally Posted by Levii:
“I completely agree with you. I'm not a Linda fan. In fact, I'm hugely disappointed with her for being played like that. Jim knows exactly what he's doing and he played her like a fiddle. I would respect that if he were in the diary room later saying "I knew that would piss her off! Ha! That's what you get when you're such a nasty bitch to me!" But instead he's pretending to be naive and acting as though his actions were totally innocent and they really weren't. I just wish Linda would have some self control! He's using her to play his victim role (how can he be a victim without a villain??) and he's definitely not attempting to resolve anything. He "innocently" baits her and then sits back in front of his audience awaiting the expected manic attack. She's so disappointingly dumb and he's so annoyingly clever.”

I feel the same about Linda. I don't support her, but I detest Jim for how he's acting.

mz fit

17-01-2014

Originally Posted by Levii:
“I'm with you. I noticed how he walked away and into the garden to tell his audience how surprised he was about her unexpectedly lashing out at him. And then for some unknown reason he returned to the kitchen and wandered across in front of her as though waiting for her to bite. But she didn't. So he approached her, took her bowl and engaged in dialogue to start it all off again. And then he returned to his audience again.

Anyone in the kitchen would merely witness Jim clearing away after a meal and think it's totally innocent. But if you've just had a row, why would you return to the scene and then engage again? He was prodding at her!”

And when he went back into the house and said to Dappy 'watch this'. Class act.

mz fit

17-01-2014

Originally Posted by jobielad:
“Quite agree with this comment. I also know that in therapy for alcohol issues (which Jim said he had had earlier in the series) people with their own anger issues are advised to walk away and not argue with someone who is emotive/drinking/angry with them and I think Jim has been practising this quite well during the series. As for control of a situation then ok is it not best to be in control of a potentially explosive situation by walking away rather than fuelling someone who is emoting? Controlling behaviour can be a good thing at times even though it is being used in a negative sense in relation to Jim. I see it as a positive. By walking away he is managing his own safety and comfort zones. Imagine an Army Officer who wasn't in control in a danger zone? I see BB as a potential danger zone especially at times like we saw tonite. All of them are in a high pressure environment most of the time. Even the furnishings and space in the house are designed to heighten pressure. It's not an easy ride in there for any of them. Think of fIght night with Victor to get my drift.

As for the much bandied word manipulation, when I worked in the field we knew manipulation to be a tool for getting needs met -we all do it at times - when our needs aren't being met i.e. attention, admiration, love, affection. That leaves the question who was being manipulative and indeed what needs weren't being met by the manipulator? We all like to think we are in control - most of the time anyway”

I would counter with this -- if you shouldn't/don't want to be in an explosive situation, then why continually create them?

As far as manipulation and his needs being met -- CBB is the resuscitator of careers and public awareness. I would say there were plenty of needs that could be met with a successful run on the show.

Thank you for a thoughtful and well written post about Jim. It certainly beats the standard one line, ignorant zingers normally put out by Jim fans.

Gazza_

17-01-2014

Originally Posted by jules1000:
“He only wants to know what her problem is with him.An argument from the past.

Now using her dead husband to pull yet another fast one.”

This.

mz fit

17-01-2014

Originally Posted by B L Zeebub:
“Why is it always seen as her having digs? She responded angrily to his dig at Luisa's story of single motherhood. The obvious point to his question was that no woman should be happy without a man in her life. Yes, on the face of it, it could be seen as showing an interest and an innocent question (that's what he relies on). But, he's a male chauvinist. He happily admits that. And we know what he really meant it as - a dig.

Linda responded. She did not have a dig.”

My father used to throw out comments like that in just the way Jim did while I was raising my daughter alone. His intention was to belittle me and to somehow let me know I wasn't quite good enough. I can't comment on Jim's actual intent, but it was eerily close to what I experienced in my own life.

mz fit

17-01-2014

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“If he wanted to know the issue, he would have asked her himself. He told Luisa to go ask her because he knew that would get under her skin because none of the other HMs knew anything about whatever happened in that dressing room, or that the dressing room incident was why they don't get on.

He did it to cause trouble”

Exactly, he didn't tell Luisa to ask her to clarify the mystery of their relationship. He handed Luisa the grenade and sent her on her way.

Jim wasn't being confronted or angered when he told Luisa this. They were in the kicthen and Luisa was talking more of her involvement in things than anything. Jim made the comment and walked away (I know - shock) and then lied, backtracked, minimised, and was an all around a$$.

jobielad

18-01-2014

Originally Posted by mz fit:
“I would counter with this -- if you shouldn't/don't want to be in an explosive situation, then why continually create them?

As far as manipulation and his needs being met -- CBB is the resuscitator of careers and public awareness. I would say there were plenty of needs that could be met with a successful run on the show.

Thank you for a thoughtful and well written post about Jim. It certainly beats the standard one line, ignorant zingers normally put out by Jim fans.”

Thanks, just to say, I am not particularly a fan of Jim or anyone in there. I just watch BB as I love observing the behaviour - always have since series 1

sandy50

18-01-2014

Originally Posted by mz fit:
“My father used to throw out comments like that in just the way Jim did while I was raising my daughter alone. His intention was to belittle me and to somehow let me know I wasn't quite good enough. I can't comment on Jim's actual intent, but it was eerily close to what I experienced in my own life.”

but his daughter's in the same position as Luisa - as Jim told the group about that she was on her own too - so I don't think it was a putdown I think he was asking her about it as he may have had his daughter's circumstances in mind when he asked Luisa about her feelings towards not having a man in her life - I didn't read more into it than that.

Dave Mac

18-01-2014

He shouldn't have brought that up.

She deserved it. Day in, day out... she has tried to get that reaction out of him. She has made sure sure the young women get on her side. It has worked. Made me laugh when she made a comment about the boys listening to Jim while every female was lapping up her shit. You could almost call it sexist. Almost

Olive2

18-01-2014

Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“It says lot about the people who want to defend Jim, as if he's innocent in all this.”

agree

Olive2

18-01-2014

Originally Posted by mz fit:
“Exactly, he didn't tell Luisa to ask her to clarify the mystery of their relationship. He handed Luisa the grenade and sent her on her way.

Jim wasn't being confronted or angered when he told Luisa this. They were in the kicthen and Luisa was talking more of her involvement in things than anything. Jim made the comment and walked away (I know - shock) and then lied, backtracked, minimised, and was an all around a$$.”

Think we watch the same CBB..

PeterWD

18-01-2014

I find it impossible to say whether Jim or Linda is more to blame.

In the highlights show we see only a few minutes of what happens during each day. We have no means of knowing whether someone's outburst is a loss-of-temper response to hours of nagging or is a calculated deliberate attack out of the blue.

We don't have a Live Feed and neither do we get a spoken summary of what has happened between two or more people in the house. So we have no means of knowing how representative the highlights clips are.

**JennaJ**

18-01-2014

Originally Posted by sandy50:
“yes he did , it was shown him saying a**hole as he was walking away from her - but she heard it and called him up on it. And she has history with Jim, and none of the others, so explanation enough.”

Jim never called Linda an "Asshole" you are mistaken.

Linda on the other hand called Jim a "See You N Tea".....Such a lovely Lady.

But hey, some people only see and hear what they want to see and hear to add weight to their arguments.

Heartache

18-01-2014

Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“I don't know anything about his life and this is just pure speculation on my part, however... he comes across as someone who's been in years of therapy, if it be recovering from an addiction or whatever.

I've known a few of these types, the passive aggression and need for control is a raging inferno underneath a calm exterior. They know how to light a fire and remain calm during it while others ignite.

Then they will remain calm while the others are fiery and emotional in an attempt to make the other look bad, fueling their need for control. It's like getting your kicks off power through control or with control.

Some of the most passive aggressive people on the sporking planet.

I can't say if that's the case here for sure, and it's complete speculation but it sure seems like it to me. I know someone in particular who i feel like is so similar to Jim it's uncanny.

Jim started it with his need for controlling the moment and his ridiculous passive aggressive comment.

Luisa is having a very nice and positive moment about her magical daughter time, and Jim invades that moment with that hideous comment? Good for Linda for calling him out, too bad she couldn't remain calm though as he knows how to exploit that.”

Luisa has a big enough mouth, that she is not afraid to use, without that Nolan woman getting involved. It's becoming like a hag tag - team.

Rose*~*

18-01-2014

Could not agree more. I'm only just catching up, and have just watched this argument. Jim knew exactly what he was doing, including the chats with the lads afterwards to try and create more of a divide in the House. And of course Linda couldn't help herself biting.....

sandy50

18-01-2014

Originally Posted by **JennaJ**:
“Jim never called Linda an "Asshole" you are mistaken.

Linda on the other hand called Jim a "See You N Tea".....Such a lovely Lady.

But hey, some people only see and hear what they want to see and hear to add weight to their arguments.”

some people are daft enough to come to such conclusions - it's interesting the way they cut things out of VTs - and not show the whole true full ones isn't it to suit or protect libel. And Jim also called Linda "f'g loopy and off er head" I think was the term and Linda's "c**t" comment about Jim kind of cancelled out the lot!

radiofree

18-01-2014

Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“Complete passive aggressive, manipulative and controlling jerk from the start... no surprise what occurred here, what i would expect from the likes of him.

I can't believe anyone would be fooled by his entire "what? who me? i'm just a clueless goober and don't know what's going on" act.

Completely distasteful from Jim all around tonight. Poor form, old chap. Poor form indeed.”

i totally agree with this. how anyone can fail to see through this guy's mind games is beyond me. i have no respect at all for a person who gets someone else to bring up a topic he KNOWS will cause upset and then cowardly pretend he doesn't know what she's talking about.

rhizo_mania

18-01-2014

Why is the C word regarded as the final taboo by some people, you can behave how you like say what you want however cutting or cruel, but once you mention the C word then that's it you have crossed the line, after all it is only another word that is printed in any dictionary you care to pick up.....

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