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Racism in "Comedy"
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Bev75
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by mickmars:
“Joking about race and differences is not racism/homophobia in my opinion.Coming from east London,I have a diverse group of friends who are exactly the same way.It's called "banter".
Smacking your own children occasionally,if they are completely out of hand,is not violence in my opinion.
I am sure I am not the only person of my generation who feels this way,I'm also don't spend my time looking to be offended on behalf of others either.”

Agreed Mick! Just as we used to call bald headed men 'curly', it was all banter, and the receiptant gave as good as they got!

I also wanted to add things like there is no 'Dr Feelgood' factor, or it's just a 'Shout At the Devil' kind of situation, maybe it's 'Time For Change' (if you are a metal fan you'll get it lol)
Gidgit_Judd
18-01-2014
Anything can be comedy as long as it's funny - anything.
diesels hummin
18-01-2014
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quirkyquirk
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by amiable:
“because white people don't experience racism in britain and asians do...”

What a load of crap!!
HonestLee
18-01-2014
Keep kicking your Frankie Boyles out of your Mock The Weeks

And all you'll be left with is Mock The Weeks

Don't say I didnt warn you
HonestLee
18-01-2014
You really have to look at this wider

EVEN IF you don't agree with with what's being said you have to AT LEAST have a respect for them HAVING THE 'RIGHT' to say it

Censoring what's said is a rocky road, once you're on it there's no end to it and you won't realise the damage it's done until YOU YOURSELF find yourself in - to you - unnecessary hot water for saying something that you feel convicted about

We HAVE TO fight for each others right to speak about ANYTHING we want to, we can't keep fencing off those fields we played in as children 'cos we scraped our knee or our children will never have the choice to play there too

Our Jim Davidsons Frankie Boyles etc. should be celebrated as symbolic of our power of choice, our liberty to make our own minds up or mistakes, it really is that profound

Look at the ropes around everything these days, separating 'you' from 'it', I'm sure the government would love if they could put 5 times as many of those ropes up but as long as there's a healthy and VISIBLE sense of us governing our OWN LIVES exercising the COMMON SENSE of our OWN MINDS then we can keep those ropes down
Ian_Craig1
18-01-2014
I have spent the majority of my life watching and enjoying some of the "Hard Hitters" of comedy both live and from the comfort of home.
Jim Davidson, Billy Connolly, Kevin Bloody Wilson, Bernard Manning, Chubby Brown, George Carlin, Richard Prior etc etc....All incredibly funny and clever comedians.

Some comedians are hysterically funny, others are not. It's surely in the eye (or ear) of the person watching.

As far as the comedian themselves, like in any other part of our lives, we either like a person and their style or not.

Personally I like Jim's old school style of stand up.

One of the comedy greats, George Carlin RIP, said and believed that anything should and could be laughed at if the joke was constructed in the correct way and I can only agree.

*Prepares for hail of bullets here*
People like Peter Kay, whose act consists of very little that Billy Connolly didn't do 30 years ago and on a personal level isn't the nice, jovial chap everyone envisages, simply don't raise a smile from me.

To paraphrase Jim...
"The only people who call me a racist are middle class, white, English people"

One of the most offensive comedians has got to be Jimmy Carr, extremely popular, very funny and I personally like him but at times is far more offensive than I've ever noticed from the likes of Jim.

I find myself getting far more offended by so called comedians selling out arena tours with nothing more than stolen and regurgitated material, earning fortunes and being considered great comedy minds.

At the end of the day....it's only words.
B L Zeebub
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by MIKKIL:
“We are too PC correct now”


Is that twice as correct as PC?
mickmars
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by Bev75:
“Agreed Mick! Just as we used to call bald headed men 'curly', it was all banter, and the receiptant gave as good as they got!

I also wanted to add things like there is no 'Dr Feelgood' factor, or it's just a 'Shout At the Devil' kind of situation, maybe it's 'Time For Change' (if you are a metal fan you'll get it lol)”

Yes,Well said. I like your motley style post
Malc London
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by amiable:
“because white people don't experience racism in britain and asians do...”

Absolute rubbish. White British are a minority in many areas, certainly local schools but more and more in the workplace. More and more of the White British minorities are facing racism.

Girls wearing western clothing to shops selling alcohol, racism is out there
LurkingGood
18-01-2014
Was Jim doing 'Chalkie' racist.
He was playing a comic character...no different from Lenny Henry doing his Jamaican character (Lenny fronted the Black and White Minstrels remember).
quirkyquirk
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by Malc London:
“Absolute rubbish. White British are a minority in many areas, certainly local schools but more and more in the workplace. More and more of the White British minorities are facing racism.

Girls wearing western clothing to shops selling alcohol, racism is out there”

Spot on well said.
mickmars
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by LurkingGood:
“Was Jim doing 'Chalkie' racist.
He was playing a comic character...no different from Lenny Henry doing his Jamaican character (Lenny fronted the Black and White Minstrels remember).”

Lenny Henry began as a 70's impressionist. He has never been a real comedian.
I remember him once calling himself the British Eddie Murphy. Funniest gag he ever told !
chackalacka1234
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by Oracles_eye:
“White British and have experienced racism in the UK and I'm sure there are many more that have to.”

Very few white people have probably experienced mild racism, but I doubt they would feel as ostracized or isolated as ethnic minorities seen as though its a predominately white country.

Proportion wise, Asians go through a lot worse, so its not fair to simplify the abuse they go through with the use of petty and rare occurrences.
Malc London
18-01-2014
I think it depends where you live. In many parts of London, British people are a minority.
Malc London
18-01-2014
The original Sherlock Holmes stories were racist. Time change.
flavour
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by Oracles_eye:
“I am asking why Jim's "racist" comedy isn't accepted or shown on TV anymore yet a stand up comic whom is British born but has Punjabi heratige can say the things he says in his "comedy"?”

you have just answered your own question, same as black comedians can make jokes of white people but not the other way around...
chackalacka1234
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by Malc London:
“Absolute rubbish. White British are a minority in many areas, certainly local schools but more and more in the workplace. More and more of the White British minorities are facing racism.

Girls wearing western clothing to shops selling alcohol, racism is out there”

How ridiculous. Britain consists of nearly 90% white people, and these places where areas are populated with ethnic minorities are not as common as you would like to think. Yes I am sure white people do face a level of racism, but it is at a MUCH LARGER proportion for ethnic minorities. Whether thats at school, with the police or other kinds of abuse.

http://blottr.com/sites/default/file...0victims_0.png

The graph in the link proves my point, NOW TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION the population difference,
Incognito777
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by chackalacka1234:
“How ridiculous. Britain consists of nearly 90% white people, and these places where areas are populated with ethnic minorities are not as common as you would like to think. Yes I am sure white people do face a level of racism, but it is at a MUCH LARGER proportion for ethnic minorities. Whether thats at school, with the police or other kinds of abuse.

http://blottr.com/sites/default/file...0victims_0.png

The graph in the link proves my point, NOW TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION the population difference,”

Sorry you are wrong, I agree with malc, white people are a minority in many areas and yes racism towards them certainly exists. Get out there and have a look instead of looking at internet charts.
chackalacka1234
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by flavour:
“you have just answered your own question, same as black comedians can make jokes of white people but not the other way around...”

This is because of the history of "white" people. Yes it is more acceptable for a black comedian to make fun of white people than vice versa, this likely has to do with the fact that black people endured centuries of harassment during their time as an enslaved and persecuted minority.

Its the same as how it would be unacceptable and seen as socially wrong for a man to swear and disrespect a women to the same degree you would to a man... Because of the history of womens treatment in society.
ScreamingTree<3
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“Urgh. I'm glad I wasn't part of the "good old days" when racism was hilarious. I'm glad that for the most part, we as a society have moved on from there.”

Oh please, have you seen Blazin Saddles? And to be honest. I've been paying attention to the tv shows in the last few days and there's a lot of it still there and given the new rules coming in there will be a lot harsher stuff in films in the future.
Fact is life is life, people will dig at others. The key is to not get angry about it, but to find peace with it and when you've found peace with it you can take positive action.
chackalacka1234
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by Incognito777:
“Sorry you are wrong, I agree with malc, white people are a minority in many areas and yes racism towards them certainly exists. Get out there and have a look instead of looking at internet charts.”

Theres not many areas... Those "internet" charts are based on statistical facts.. You have probably went out, seen one or two ethnically derived areas, and made up your mind. I doubt you visited every part of england and formed a valid conclusion.

If there is 90% white people in a country, then surely most areas would consist of predominately white people.
ScreamingTree<3
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by chackalacka1234:
“This is because of the history of "white" people. Yes it is more acceptable for a black comedian to make fun of white people than vice versa, this likely has to do with the fact that black people endured centuries of harassment during their time as an enslaved and persecuted minority.

Its the same as how it would be unacceptable and seen as socially wrong for a man to swear and disrespect a women to the same degree you would to a man... Because of the history of womens treatment in society.”

I think if people actually let got of what was and focused on what is and allowed everyone the same level playing field, the world would be happier.
chackalacka1234
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“Oh please, have you seen Blazin Saddles? And to be honest. I've been paying attention to the tv shows in the last few days and there's a lot of it still there and given the new rules coming in there will be a lot harsher stuff in films in the future.
Fact is life is life, people will dig at others. The key is to not get angry about it, but to find peace with it and when you've found peace with it you can take positive action.”

The only somewhat decent comment so far.. Its best to find the fairground of these comedy types, because being able to joke about racial stereotypes will actually help prevent racism to some degree ironically.

On the other hand it is about boundaries, and some take it too far
chackalacka1234
18-01-2014
Originally Posted by ScreamingTree<3:
“I think if people actually let got of what was and focused on what is and allowed everyone the same level playing field, the world would be happier.”

Of course, but that's very unrealistic. Its sort of like saying I wish everyone was nice to each other. I can understand why some people would be offended by certain comedy jokes, because it reinforces or perhaps brings back bad memories
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