Excuse me, but YES!! I will believe what I saw!!!

You will believe what you saw or what your sister thinks she saw? Counsel for the defence are going to make mincemeat of this testimony.

I think people may be confusing two different things.

When Lee was talking with Luisa in the garden, Lee said that Casey asked why couldn't you play along, and there's been some discussion of that.

But I thought Lionel had reported something else that Lee said Casey had said; and so the claim from the production staff would be about that something else.

(I'm just saying "something else", because I don't remember what it was.)

Re the Why couldn't you play along, there seems to be some confusion about what I wrote in another thread:





What Lee told Luisa was that Casey said why couldn't you play along when they were going down the stairs, not up. I listened to that conversation with Luisa several times to check that and some other things.

And the reason up vs down mattered is that a youtube clip let us hear what they said going up, and people who though Lee had said "up" thought that clip proved that Lee's claim was false. But that clip did not show them going downstairs. (Or at least that's what the post that linked the clip said.)

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Anyway, I now have a question for emptybox. Is the Demand 5 clip you posted just the highlights show of the fake eviction? If so, I'm not show how it proves something wasn't said while they were on mic or camera, rather than just that it wasn't said in anything that was in he highlights. Even if it looks like the highlights showed something without gaps, I'm not sure that can really be trusted, because there have been some slick edits since the move to C5.

So Lee is the liar after all what an asshole

I've been wondering about that too. I can't think of any other time when the production staff have helped a housemate in that way, by saying something definitely didn't happen. I'm not saying they've never done so, but it must at least be pretty rare. Usually (when we're told anything at all) it's less definite. For instance, we might be told that they couldn't find it in any footage.

Also, I was looking again at the Ofcom judgement about CBB5 not long ago, and I noticed something that's indirectly relevant here.


Yet I'm pretty sure something very like that was said, and here is a forum thread about it: Jack's comment "she wants to be white". There's also this from closer to the time: post 93 in thread Shilpa's face bleaching (merged)

i can't believe people still are questioning casey.

on bots and facebook, lionel said production told him casey did not say what lee accused her of saying.

on bots, lionel said: "I came out and they said, 'Do you think anyone has a game plan?' And I was told in the house by a certain person that Casey said a certain thing. I came out and I was informed by the production team that was not so. So, Casey, I want to apologize to you. If this goes back to you, I am so sorry."

But what exactly did Lionel claim Lee had claimed Casey said?

If it was as vague as you what you say there ("a certain thing"), then we don't even know what Casey's supposedly been cleared of.

you don't know what lee has accused casey of saying?

really?

lol.

How could they possibly know when they have said themselves they have no idea what is being said when the go into the bathrooms and switch on the taps, or what was said under the duvets?

Well, why don't you tell me what you think it is.

I think Lee's accused her of more than one thing, that one is asking "why couldn't you play along", and that Lionel had seemed to be talking about something else. (As I tried to explain in post #53 above.)

lee said casey said on the stairs, following their eviction, that he should've just gone along with the showmance.

at no point were they under a duvet while also on stairs, and as far as we know, there are no stairs in the bathrooms.

i know you're just playing, because come on now.

lee made up a statement out of whole cloth. the exact wording of this made-up quote may have changed in his retelling to various housemates, but the gist was always the same: casey wanted a showmance for gameplay and publicity.

Lionel said on last night's BBOTS that the production team confirmed that Casey had not said what Lee accused her of saying.

Lee has accused her of saying all sorts of things - and he originally said that "why can't you just play along" comments was said in the bolthole.

My point is that the production team are not in a position to confirm that Casey has not said what Lee accused her of saying given there are times in the house when they cannot hear what has been said. they can confirm she didn't say it on the stairs. they cannot confirm that she hasn't said it per se.

Given Lee's propensity to change his story all the time, and given he has accused Casey of saying all sorts of things in all sorts of situations, BB cannot confirm that casey has not said what Lee has accused her of saying, they can only confirm that she didn't say it on the stairs.

do tell. what are all these things he's accused her of saying? from what i've heard, and i've listened closely, they're all variations on the same thing.

and at no point did i hear lee say, "casey told me under the duvet that..." or "casey said in the bathroom that..." or "casey made sure it was not said on the microphones that..."

people made up those scenarios when lee's lie was quite specific.

You seem to think it's about this: "lee said casey said on the stairs, following their eviction, that he should've just gone along with the showmance."

My point is not that the exact wording about what was supposedly aid on the stairs might have been different; it's that Lionel had seemed to be talking about a very different accusation: not about what was said on the stairs, but instead something different at a different time.

They've only variations on the same thing if you take "same thing" so broadly that it would include things Casey supposedly said at different times and that weren't all about playing along.

oh, i see. so production simply corrected lionel for MISQUOTING casey?

give me a break.

they told lionel that casey never said what lee accused her of saying.

but the twisting and hypotheticals and diversions here are hilarious. please continue.

can't wait to hear what's next...

No, you're continuing to miss the point.


No, they told Lionel that Casey hadn't said what Lionel thought she had said. And again, that didn't seem to be about what Lee claimed Casey said on the stairs (regardless of how it's worded).

Me neither. I am loving all this effort to build a case (as yet not clearly specified) on the absence of evidence. It wasn't even a rainy day today.

once again: "I was told in the house by a certain person that Casey said a certain thing. I came out and I was informed by the production team that was not so."

CLEARLY, it's about what lee accused casey of saying. "I was told in the house by a certain person...."

you're intentionally misrepresenting it if you claim lionel was talking about what he heard casey say firsthand.

Yes, Lee has made various different accusations, and only one of them has gone through Lionel and then been denied by the production staff.

Unfortunately, last night on BOTS Lionel didn't say what the accusation was; and I don't think he even said what it was on the earlier BOTS. So to work it out, it may be necessary to go back to one of the highlights shows.

What I posted was the highlights show of 8th January - The Fake eviction show.
http://www.channel5.com/shows/celebr...ive-eviction-1
(can't get it to play now for whatever reason)

Obviously when I say she didn't say it on camera or mic, I mean the footage that has been aired.
Only the production staff have access to footage that hasn't been aired.

By saying it like that I was trying to emphasise that I'd watched all the footage, and that there was nothing heard or seen that could be that conversation.

But the footage shown is fairly comprehensive, as you see them from when their names are announced, walking up the stairs and walking down the outside steps, and you can hear what they are saying. Even when they are behind the closed doors you hear what she says ("I feel sick").

When they are walking down the steps off the stage and going down to the bolthole, Lee goes first and Casey follows a couple of seconds later, so I doubt they speak at that point. But of course we can't be sure.

You are right that there is some confusion as to what Lionel was told by the production staff. But he definitely said on BOTS that a certain someone had told him something that Casey had said, and the production staff had told him she hadn't.
When he came out he gave the impression that he'd overheard Casey saying something to Louisa, so I don't think that is what he was talking about?
But I get the impression Lionel can get slightly confused anyway.

You're still missing the point.

Lee didn't make only one accusation. There isn't only one "what lee accused casey of saying". Lionel was talking about only one of the accusations. The "a certain thing" is one particular thing Lionel was told, not all the different things Lee has said.

And Lionel wasn't saying there'd been a blanket clear of all the different accusations Lee has made, just that the staff told him that the one damning thing Lionel thought Casey had said -- that one "certain thing", told to Lionel by "a certain person" (presumably Lee) -- was wrong.

Talk about splitting hairs. It's pretty obvious that Lee's lying. Lionels comment or not.

lol. you're funny.