So, Dappy and Luisa make loads of noise (on the show last night), but Jim only hears Luisa'a noise?

I never said its a bad thing im just sick of hearing all these tag words.. homophobic misogynist etc why does everyone have to come under a heading. People from different generations have experienced a different time doesnt mean they should be labelled because of it..times have moved on and not all for the better. But it can also be said where's luisas respect for her elders? So jim should be careful how he acts but linda and luisa can say and do as they please... how is that right? And vile is appropriate given their behaviour in my opinion..which i take it im still allowed to have!

I seem to remember Dappy taking the initiative of coming out apologise to Jim and assure him that he'd be quiet. Luisa's approach? Calling him names such as the grim reaper and a miserable old bastard, and flatly refusing to apologise.

Gosh, maybe Dappy (the sexist pig) respects Jim (the sexist pig) and Luisa (the feminist) doesn't!!

Well if people are homophobic or misogynistic then surely they deserve to be called out on it?
I don't think the "oh he's from a different generation" excuse is valid , times have changed and people need to deal with the fact that you can't just treat women , gays and other minorities with open disrespect and contempt any more , I don't see how that is anything but a good thing.
Luisa doesn't need to be respectful of Jim just because he's older , and he doesn't need to be respectful of her just because she's a women , neither of them show much respect for each other and it's a little sad to see because they are both strong personalties , but I think it would be hard to argue that Jim doesn't have problems with a woman that stands up to him.
Personally , vile is a word I'd use for someone evil , or someone who'd wronged me really badly , but if you feel comfortable to use it for such a trivial thing that's your prerogative obviously

Or maybe both of them have at some point in their life been made aware of common courtesy and basic manners?

There was only one thing that Lionel said in his entire time in the house that was worth paying any attention to, and that was that Luisa is a "rude bitch".

I know plenty of people of Jim's age and older who don't share his 'values' and I grew up in the 70s too and am well able to have different attitudes to him.

That old excuse is trotted out again and again by people to excuse themselves and him. Dappy also said sexist things and he's not of the same generation. Times have changed but people overuse that excuse.

Vile definition to help you understand the meaning:
extremely unpleasant."he has a vile temper"synonyms:foul,*nasty,*unpleasant,*bad,*disagreeable,*horrid,*horrible,dreadful,*abominable,*atrocious,*offensive,*obnoxious,*odious,unsavoury,*repulsive,*off-putting,*repellent,*revolting,repugnant,*disgusting,*distasteful,*loathsome,*hateful,nauseating,*sickening;
Whilst vile is an anagram of evil the similarity rests there!!
But just for you....
Evil definition:
profoundly immoral and wicked."his evil deeds"synonyms:wicked,*bad,*wrong,*morally wrong,*wrongful,*immoral,*sinful,ungodly,*unholy,*foul,*vile,*base,*ignoble,*dishonourable,corrupt,*iniquitous,*depraved,*degenerate,*villainous,*nefarious,sinister,*vicious,*malicious,*malevolent,*demonic,*devilish,diabolic,*diabolical,*fiendish,*dark,*black-hearted;*
Hope that clears it up for you

And you value manners and courtesy? Good grief.

Well it says there that vile means things like "revolting" "repellent" "abominable" and personally vile for me is just a really harsh horrible word , just my opinion

What do you think about my other point?

Yes, I get the impression he is very "old school" in his attitude to women....a chauvinist would be a good word for him.

Exactly People trot out the whole " pc gone mad " thing to justify clinging on to old fashioned prejudiced views imo

Ah so you're one of those people that believe you should "speak your mind" 100% of time, even if whatever enters your mind is completely rude or just irrelevant?

The two people who keep goading him happen to be female ... What does the OP suggest...Jim takes the abuse and doesn't stand up for himself? Maybe the OP should ask why Luisa only argues with MEN ? is she a sexist pig as well

Errr maybe it has to do with the fact that he has only had an issue with two people and they just happen to be women? It's not rocket science.

Just maybe Jim does not like rude, self opinionated, aggressive women who are bully's and seem to have made it their mission to wind him up, he has no problem with Casey, Liz or Sam. I also dont like Luisa for the same reasons....does that make me a sexist pig too?

I haven't seem Jim have any problem with women that stand up to him, Luisa wouldn't cook for him the other night, no problem he said he would have toast.......The women have a problem with Jim because they have been told he's a "women hater" So they try to wind him up, but he refuses to take the bait, these situations aren't about strong women their about silly childish women.

The guys seem to like him, so there is no problem

Brian always pushes his sexuality in your face it is part of you but does not define you none of the men in their are being nasty so does not need to argue

Whatever about Linda because she has a history with him , but Luisa seems to dislike him because he's condescending to her , I feel like when he has an issue with a man , it's all ok and squashed straight away but when it's with a woman it's all walking off in a sulk and little spiteful jabs ( which Linda does as well in fairness ) I just notice a difference in how he acts that's all.
With Luisa I feel like she would argue with a woman if there were women there who she didn't get on with , but with Jim I feel it's more of a general thing , just my opinion

Does Lee not also push his sexuality in everyones face? Does Dappy not? Why is it only a problem when it's a gay person "pushing their sexuality" on people?

When looking at wife-beaters, it's a common theme that they shy away from confrontation with males, leaving the women to bear the brunt of his frustrations, and fists.

Calling women slags, whore, sluts, low, disgusting etc. for the same behaviour that is 'cool' for a man, is not my idea of common courtesy and basic manners.

Admitting that you are a male chauvinist pig (and therefore believe women to be inferior to men), getting angry with women for behaviour you have no problem with men doing, is also no my idea of common courtesy and basic manners.

Lionel also had double standards when it came to men and women and Lee told Dappy that he would have supported him in his sexist argument with Luisa. Evander didn't believe in equality.

So, then we have Ollie, out of all the men, who has not been sexist so far.

I get the impression Luisa doesn't like men who DON'T fall at her feet...she is an overly aggressive woman who needs to be the Alfa male in any group she is in ...and yes I know she isn't male but she wants to be

I think you could be right , although I'm trying to leave Jim's past out of my opinion of him or I would just really dislike him no matter what he did , and so far other then on a few occasions I havn't found him too bad , but it's a little difficult to forget some things