why should you though, seriously? If remembering what a real nasty bastard he was in his adult life (and we're not talking about a one-off incident here) makes you hate him, so be it.

I understand the idea that people want to judge HMs on how they behave in the house, but I think there are boundaries. Would the same people who are telling us to forget Jim's past be telling us to forget Gary Glitter's past should he turn up on the show? Hell, his fans can't even talk about the likes of Linda without referring to her claiming benefits or the fact that her dead husband stole £20 from Frank Carson!

In any case, when there is suspicion (as you've highlighted with this thread) that his past behaviour might help explain his differing attitudes towards men and women now it's entirely appropriate to remember what sort of 'man' he was - and probably still is underneath the self-restraint his fans applaud him for.

I think if the males had their own version of the coven led by Mommy Dearest Linda, then he would find himself baited into argument with them as well.

Oh really well does the same alpply to sam then ..in your humble opinion?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...in-family.html.
None of us are infallible..maybe youre the exception. If people continue to behave in such a way then of course thats unforgivable but when they make an effort to change with therapy surely that should make a difference.

You're right really , I find the way some people talk about Linda and her husband ( as if they were mass rapist murderers ) is so over the top and unpleasant. I don't even love Linda all that much but I almost want to support her because of the overt hatred she's gotten since the beginning on this forum.
I just think when people are saying "oh why doesn't Luisa argue with women" it's harder to accept that there is a correlation because Luisa has never claimed to be a sexist whereas Jim has , so it's easier to see the correlation with his behaviour and views

Oh, it's not simple at all.
Luisa and Jasmine are a pair of screeching harpies who quite deliberately set out to harrass him.
Linda is a bitter woman who thought she could make a feud storyline for himself.
Their collective bullying of Jim is outrageous.

Well I never liked Sam to begin with , and I think it's horrible what she did , and it only lessened my already fairly low opinion of her, whereas Jim I actually did like in the beginning and tried to look past it

Comparing Gary glitter and Jim davidson .. perspective .. seriously. Somethings are unforgivable and im sure the majority would agree on that. But this is not the same

Bullying , like vile , is a word that is way overused here , Jim is well able to stand up for himself , no-one is being bullied in there , it's just disagreements between adults , there is a major difference between conflict and bullying imo

So are you saying peoples past should rule their future as it cant be forgiven then?

Reading fans defending their faves sometime reminds of the old claim that dogs take on the characteristics of their owner.

I don't need to forgive Sam or Jim for anything because I don't know them , but I would find it hard to support someone who'd regularly beat their partner ( as they both did ) just imo

I'm exactly the same. I don't have a favourite this year at all, but am being put off Jim because of his supporters comments on here. Likewise I'm finding myself trying to help Linda out as she is receiving really malicious feedback.

Agreed.

I see very little difference in the amount of noise, annoyance and shenanigans perpetrated by Lee and Dappy compared to Luisa and Jasmine, but I never heard Jim tell Lee and Dappy to shut up or **** off or grow up because of it.

When conflict is manufactured to get a reaction,it's a form of bullying. This keeping Jim awake, by the way, isn't a disagrreement between adults - it's the kind of immature behaviour you get from 14 year olds. I am only surprised at jim's restraint.

Oh yeah, cos dear old Jim only chucked his wife down the stairs after beating the shit out of her. In any case, I'm not saying that one is as bad as the other, but that both are, IMO, serious enough offences that should never be forgotten, particularly when there are sign of the same mentality present today, as the OP highlighted.

As i said .. not the same!!!

So why watch BB then, if you don't like this? It's how the show operates.

To call any behaviour in there 'bullying' as even more absurd than calling Linda 'vile' when she's in the same house as a women-beating bigot.

But it happens in the bedroom every year It was Carol & Charlotte last year, surely by now HM's know what to expect?

I have a favourite ( Luisa to win! ) and I really didn't mind Jim at the start and still find him a very interesting housemate , but I feel like people had it out for Linda before the even went in , and are revelling in the fact that now they have a solid reason to dislike her , and it just makes me feel sorry for her really

But was it targeted specifically at one particular HM last year? I don't think so.

I feel it really trivialises the word "bullying" ( and vile as well ) to use it in this context , they are all grown adults who can leave at any time without fear of finacial penalty

You could at least have responded to my reply when you first said 'it's not the same'.

Ah, well, live and learn...

Are your feelings the same for sam then? Or is a woman hitting on a man different as you keep harping on about jim. And by the way im not condoning hitting of either ...just to clarify!

It's not exactly the same , but it's not much better imo , and it's up there with the worst things a person can do

Unfortunately some dont ... and i did respond it just wasnt to your liking.. but hey ho